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266 - Political Circus & Cosmic Theories w/ HMK&P
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What if modern politics is nothing more than a circus of absurdity? Tune in as the Couple's Gang humorously dissect the surreal nature of today's political landscape, poking fun at POTUS fitness claims and the bizarre golf debates dominating serious discussions. With Morpheus and Prime joining the banter, we laugh about our quirky social media struggles, share our love for various whiskies, and ponder the social dynamics of RV swingers. We then venture into the cosmos, exploring theories about extraterrestrial life and humanity's place in the universe. Could we be an entertainment farm for higher beings or merely part of a larger simulation? We explore these questions while breaking down the Drake Equation, speculating on alien motivations as portrayed in popular movies, and debating the unsettling implications of the Great Silence theory. ENJOY!
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Speaker 3:Relax, you are amongst friends helpass yeah, it's always that, it's always like. I'll respond really quickly and then I'll just be like fuck, immediately notice it, like write it down ha, ha, ha ha ha, gotcha bitch.
Speaker 4:I just stop it, and then we start it back up, and it's not even a big deal gotcha bitch let's see how this uh goes guys and away we go falling into me and we're content struck we're gonna get sued by chapel road. Yeah, we are I couldn't tell what you're doing, so I doubt anybody else could I can tell what they're doing while you're reading me out as a casual now. I'll strike the first minute of this pre-show. I don't care.
Speaker 3:I like all the reels where it's like that song. But it's like it'll be some random guy like in, like the floor of his car, like eating chicken nuggets or something, and it has that song playing in the background.
Speaker 2:I'm on a different type of TikTok.
Speaker 3:How about on TikTok?
Speaker 5:We're on a different type of Instagram. I think Hermes wants us to start we're starting.
Speaker 2:We're starting, yeah, we're talking. This is what happens?
Speaker 4:Yeah, we gradually just like fade into it, the musical fade out.
Speaker 3:If he makes it happen, it won't happen exactly. I just let it, let it happen.
Speaker 4:Oh, I like the music. Okay, put on the monkey squeaks for him. Yeah, I don't know he won't do it anymore, it's it's better. I've noticed that it's better of a conversation and it's also better for editing if I have it on its own separate track but how do we introduce who we are?
Speaker 3:we have to introduce ourselves every time.
Speaker 2:Hi, I'm kalisi.
Speaker 4:I'm the chaos bringer well, we also have another chaos bringer here.
Speaker 3:I'm the actual one. Hey, hey, I'm 2.0.
Speaker 4:Uh, he was here first he was the first one and he wasn't fired as meme master yet, even though I've made you, threatened it the other day, even though I've mostly taken over as a master, it has been a while.
Speaker 3:I should hop back on. I'm sure there's some great templates after the debates oh, so many.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I even, I even jumped on the hawk tour and you didn't, you didn't, you didn't jump on this no, it's been a while.
Speaker 3:You know, I've just been busy yeah see, so tired, so hard.
Speaker 2:I'm just so tired.
Speaker 3:Look at that, sounds like me, my x usage has gone up threefold since our because you've used it for an entire day, because I've I've commented on three posts. God damn, which is not 300 percent increase damn slow down. Save some pussy for the rest of us, right I don't understand how to use twitter and it makes me feel like an old man because there's so many it's not twitter anymore.
Speaker 4:Whatever, it's always going to be twitter. It's x always going to be twitter, and like I'll like be scrolling.
Speaker 3:I'm like I don't understand what I'm getting tagged in. I don't understand how to respond to things like I don't know what I'm responding to.
Speaker 4:You're a boomer, you can figure it out, and if you want me to explain it to you, then I can.
Speaker 3:I'm kind of getting it. I've never used Twitter, ever so it's like a whole different interface. I've used the. Instagram and Facebooks and the Snapchats.
Speaker 5:The Snapchats, the Facebook.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's really bro. Yeah, you're really sounding like a boomer now doesn't help.
Speaker 3:I'm the second oldest one in this room.
Speaker 2:It doesn't help the podcast snapchat is not long bitch, not the uh I'm coming right after that doesn't.
Speaker 3:That doesn't work. That way, I will still be the second oldest. That's not how age works. That's not how age works.
Speaker 2:You idiot so we have. Khaleesi, we're incest siblings. I don't want to hear it. We have Morpheus, we share a brain cell and you take it most of the time.
Speaker 4:Morpheus, who did you bring along with you today?
Speaker 3:I don't know. I found her on the side of the road. She looked cute and ate pepperonis out of my hand of my hand, like a dog Like a little squirrel.
Speaker 2:An unattended toddler.
Speaker 3:She has those finger size of a squirrel, so I got her a bag of those little pickle chips and she just hopped in the van Hopped in the car, it was totally fun. Peed in my back seat. It was okay.
Speaker 5:I'd be very easy to steal, because that's all you'd have to be like. You'd have to have like one of those giant plastic jars or like the Van Holten bag pickles and be like here kitty, kitty, kitty. Grip it with my little toddler hands, like you know how you ever see, like two-year-olds try to pick something up and you're With your feet instead of like using, like their, their finger yeah, they use, like their whole, like like palming it yeah.
Speaker 4:Awesome. No, we have my wife prime.
Speaker 3:Well, we have a full.
Speaker 4:Well, we have a full boat somehow today, so this is going to be interesting.
Speaker 2:Somehow you plan this shit.
Speaker 4:This is going to be interesting.
Speaker 3:Is that Glenlivet in your glass? Yeah, it's so light.
Speaker 5:Because it's got a giant ice cube in it.
Speaker 3:Oh, that's fair.
Speaker 4:But still the bourbon is darker. You put an ice cube in scotch. That's what I'm saying. You Put an ice cube in scotch. That's what I'm saying. You know what? Perfect timing. What are we drinking? We'll go around the table. Khaleesi, you look like the basic bitch. What are you drinking?
Speaker 2:Shut the fuck up. What is it? It's as cold water.
Speaker 4:Even though we're literally doing nothing and going camping, I want to be hydrated.
Speaker 2:Is that so fucking upsetting?
Speaker 4:Whatever, I drink my hydration.
Speaker 2:I get hydrated. We have water too, so I can squirt later.
Speaker 3:Oh, you mean pee.
Speaker 5:Yeah, Khaleesi gave me tips on how to squirt and I'm going to try it out next time. It worked for someone else Next time that Morpheus and I have sex. I'm going to try it out. It worked for someone else.
Speaker 3:I'm so sorry, morpheus, you can just pee on me, it's fine.
Speaker 5:No, I just want to be able to do it once. Morpheus just wants to be able to make you pee. I want to try it at least once. It's like skydiving. I just got to do it once and I don't ever have to do it again.
Speaker 3:Apparently, anal is better for it. Yeah, anal is really good for it. That's what Joanna Angel talks about.
Speaker 4:Well see, it's all about the G-spot. You can just get that G really, get in there with it and she lets go of all of her bladder contents. That's the biggest thing she's got to relax, and she, yes, how many times have I had to? Well, only you know this, but I was gonna say how many times have I had to explain this to my partner, but obviously you would only know about you I only know about me, so that I don't know about the other.
Speaker 4:But the first, but the first few times I was like look, you're not're not going to pee. I know it feels like you're going to pee, but you're not going to pee because we had to make you feel comfortable enough to pee.
Speaker 2:No, you just made me pee.
Speaker 4:And then it's okay, you just got to. It's all psychological. The thing is, is you lot? It's sort of like you know, because you like. You like to make people pee well it's, it's like, it's like after you know. It's like testing the waters of anything else. Like you got to make sure the temperature is right, you got to make sure the scent is right. The ph balance is off when you flip that little dipstick in there and it comes back out funny colors you're like okay well this one's not gonna work.
Speaker 4:Luckily it wasn't funny colors. Welcome to to the Scuttlebutt Podcast guys, I hope everybody's nice and comfortable.
Speaker 2:That's disgusting. Let's talk about gross coochie.
Speaker 4:Prime, you're the next female on the rotation. What are you drinking on over there?
Speaker 5:I'm drinking a Glenlivet 12. And yes, I did put an ice cube in it, because that's how I do it.
Speaker 4:Well, first of all, I was going to give you props in the chef's kiss for drinking scotch, because it's pretty cool and attractive when women drink whiskey.
Speaker 2:I will go out there and get your Blanton's Gold right now.
Speaker 5:I will say so. Glenlivet is usually my go-to, usually my go-to. That's like my staple. I don't know if maybe it's because I followed it up with beer or whatnot, but this tastes a little sour. So I'm curious if maybe it was the ice cube or not.
Speaker 4:I'm telling you it's weird to put scotch on. I mean, a little bit of water is one thing, or a single cube is another thing.
Speaker 3:But, that's a fucking ice cube. It's the big block.
Speaker 4:I was going to say that's like for a spicy bourbon or rye that you would use that much water in there. For a scotch it's only 40. I was going to say that's only 40% as is, and it's so light at 40%.
Speaker 5:I'll go toss the ice cube. I'll try it when I'm done with what's in here.
Speaker 3:I'll toss the ice cube. You have that empty glass there. Are you going to use it?
Speaker 4:I will yeah.
Speaker 3:Okay, I'll just say you put the ice cube in there, I'll just toss it.
Speaker 4:once I'm done with what I'm doing, I'll say you don't even have to weigh Shit Morpheus while she's chugging and hopefully not throwing up. What are you drinking on over there?
Speaker 3:This is the Maker's Mark. What's it called? Like Valentine or something Love?
Speaker 4:Refuse. I was going to let you drink it, but it's closed for me. Wood Finishing Series. Maker's Mark.
Speaker 2:Where do you have?
Speaker 4:Valentine's from.
Speaker 3:It is yeah, Batch. I thought it had some love thing or something on it.
Speaker 4:It is the Heart Release.
Speaker 3:Heart Release, okay yeah.
Speaker 4:Batch 2024, the Heart Release, which is the first time I've ever seen this. This is the first time you've ever seen it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's the first time I've ever seen it too.
Speaker 4:It's really good, it is delicious, it is quite delicious.
Speaker 3:I regret not getting a bottle, honestly. And it was only what like 80, 90, something at a drop, for sure it was definitely worth it, for sure on site and uh, yeah, I've been drinking it.
Speaker 4:Obviously you can see I've been.
Speaker 3:I've had, I've had the other, some of the other wood finish series. Uh, similar bottle, different label.
Speaker 4:Not this one, specifically, because this is the heart, yeah, the heart, this is the first time I've seen the release, because I've seen a couple like uh woodford special releases. I've seen a couple of the maker special releases. I've had a couple.
Speaker 5:That's a heavy pour I've had a couple wood finish series and that's just how I roll.
Speaker 3:They've never been. I do the wood finishing series.
Speaker 4:I've never been gonna wake up early. We wake up whenever we want.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, we're checking in at 12 I, I understand.
Speaker 3:I feel like whenever we tell him it's not 12, he's's not going to be like. Your campsite has been deleted.
Speaker 5:I set it on fire.
Speaker 3:Like hey, we got caught in some traffic. No, exactly.
Speaker 5:We were too busy trying to squirt on each other. I hope you would understand.
Speaker 3:Hey, we're having a weird group sex on the highway.
Speaker 4:He's like well, shouldn't you be doing that at the campsite with all the other weird old camper swingers? Is that a? Thing Camper swingers, I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 5:I've heard of RV swingers.
Speaker 2:I didn't know I didn't know, RV is camping, but different.
Speaker 3:Wherever there is a flat surface, people will swing.
Speaker 5:People will have sex on it.
Speaker 4:People will have sex on it, and wherever people will have sex, groups of people will have sex absolutely um, and I have also some of the wood fur which I don't did you grab it in here yeah, like this one sorry yeah, you go ahead and read that there, prime, because I have uh careful with the stuff on the table and careful reading locations she made that very aggressive can I say what the can I, so just not the word.
Speaker 5:Okay, so personally selected by Not that yeah, no, it says batch E, yeah, okay. Selection date January 1st, sorry, january 18th 2024. Distiller select Woodford reserved Kentucky straight rye whiskey.
Speaker 3:Yummy, I had never seen a Woodford rye.
Speaker 4:I've seen plenty. If you go to the package store, there's rye there. I wouldn't say it's super popular, but that's the first, obviously, of that batch.
Speaker 5:It's 45.2% alcohol per volume.
Speaker 3:Basically it's a state store pick 90.4% proof. That's decent. In the mid-range that's decent yeah.
Speaker 4:That's decent In the mid-range. Yeah, that's decent.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I told somebody or it was one of my friends from work, the one I was telling you about that I talk about whiskey with and I was showing her. I got that bottle of the Knob 12, and she was like 100%.
Speaker 4:And I was like that's pretty run-of-the-mill.
Speaker 3:And she drinks this. I'm like you shouldn't know that that's pretty standard. And run of the mill, yeah, and she like drinks like you shouldn't know that that's pretty standard and she's like yeah, I guess that's true.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I'd say 50 is the mid and then like over 50 anything over 100, then that's what I'm like and it's starting to get spicy, but I mean, we've had everything cast strength, even like 101, I'm like no, I'm thinking more like 115 area, 120 area, that's when it's like okay, I think yeah wow, that's. That's pretty spicy, and then anything above that, like all of those Jack Daniels.
Speaker 3:Stag and stuff. Stag's like what 131 or something Good.
Speaker 4:God yeah, like 62 and 65 plus.
Speaker 3:It's got some spice to it. Spicy, it's spicy, jesus.
Speaker 4:Some of it gets up there. I mean I have that Jack Daniels out there. I think it's 67 and a half.
Speaker 2:Is that the one you don't like?
Speaker 4:No, that one is the single malt and that's only like 50 something. It's not that it's spicy, it just tastes like shit.
Speaker 3:It's just weird. It's more of a novelty than a really good.
Speaker 4:I mean it would be great if it was good, but similar to like that Dickle 15 where it's like I'll show somebody this and I'll drink it out of novelty and I won't spit it out. Yeah, put it bottom shelf.
Speaker 3:We even did like well also, your ratios were off, but we even tried to like a Jack and coke with it and it like the 50%, the 50, 50, oh yeah, I can coke. A 50 50 does not work. You gotta have more coke than.
Speaker 4:Jack defeats the purpose. Well, I know a normal Jack, which is already sweet, as is with a 50 50.
Speaker 3:That's the way to do that when we were over in sicily and like we'd go to bars and I'd ask for a jack and coke and it'd be like three quarters jack and like a splash of coke and it was so gross because like the ratios were just so off and I was like I would rather, like I'd rather.
Speaker 5:I've never thought I'd want just like coke do you remember when you're on the, on the plane and they gave you like a double jack?
Speaker 5:but it's like those tiny like little airport cups and then it's like half full of ice. So he put two of the Jack Daniels shooters in there and like topped it off with like a little bit of Coke. And I did this. I did the same thing. I was like I'll have a Jack and Coke too. I topped it off with a little bit and I was like, oh, this't you want to just do one for right now. I said, no, I'm going to do two. That's what I do every plane ride, if I can get it.
Speaker 3:that's what I do If it's a long plane ride, like what over six or something, they have the really good, they have like Buffalo, or they have Woodford or something like that oh sometimes yeah. I normally see.
Speaker 4:I think it's Glen Fittich it's normally the little Glen Fittiches, the shitty Scotch, not quite Glen Levin.
Speaker 3:Yeah, glen Fittich, it's like the one you can get the 18 year for like 80 bucks.
Speaker 4:So long as it's not a blended one we can make do.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, I can always make do with a single malt. I'm not, which puts it above almost every blend that I've ever had.
Speaker 4:Yeah absolutely. I'd take it over a Johnny Gold any day, or a Johnny Blue Blue Gold, any of them, Any of the Johnny Walkers, I would Now that we're nice and comfy guys we are inviting everybody to pull up their chair pour their glass light, whatever they're smoking on. Natalie, executive producer, I'm sorry but you are, put her on me.
Speaker 5:The Glen Levitt does taste better Now that it's got less in it.
Speaker 4:Something about scotch. It's a different thing. It's a whole different. That's why it's scotch whiskey without the.
Speaker 3:E the only wrong way to drink whiskey is to not drink whiskey.
Speaker 5:I don't disagree with you, but that was definitely a larger ice cube than I typically do, because I usually just do like one of the tiny ones, One or two yeah, those ones were fairly big, the freezer, ice machine special.
Speaker 4:Just a little bit Like a little bit of water is probably like that range for people, because me all my scotches is neat. I like my scotch neat. Even the peated scotches I like neat.
Speaker 3:And you take your coffee black too.
Speaker 5:I sure do and your bed, something oh the Hosier song yeah, take your whiskey neat and my coffee black and my bed at 3.
Speaker 3:He definitely doesn't take his bed at 3. He takes his bed at like 7.30.
Speaker 4:I don't say I wake up, I leave the bed at 7. I leave the bed at 3. Maybe I put the bottom of that.
Speaker 3:I like the jokes that people do where they're listening to the song. It's like I take my whiskey with a splash of Coke and I take my coffee with lots of cream and sugar.
Speaker 4:Because I am sweet and I like to go to bed by 9 30 because I like sweet, sweet. Speaking of sweet, are we gonna talk about this?
Speaker 3:debate.
Speaker 1:We were gonna mess around with it when, uh, it was the three of us in here.
Speaker 4:But morpheus over here just couldn't stop making biden shitty, biden impressions, and and then donnie and I had to fucking mute him we'll just keep going. He's muted again he's back mr president, your, uh, your time is up I'm proud of my son, this man can't even hit a golf ball 50 yards it's not an eight, it's not.
Speaker 2:I'll be impressed when you can carry your own bag. It's not a six handicap.
Speaker 3:It's an eight.
Speaker 4:It's only an eight handicap or so I don't even know what what the fuck is that? I really had.
Speaker 3:No, I'm not I'm not a tax bracket, to know that no yeah, a handicap is just like uh, to get par, you get to add like a certain like amount so is it more or less than it's supposed to be?
Speaker 4:I?
Speaker 3:don't. I think the more it is it is, the better.
Speaker 5:I feel like you have to be a certain age to understand more of the golf stuff, because that was definitely a very old person. Thing to argue about was golf scores. And then he's like, let's not be children about this Bitch.
Speaker 3:you've been being children about everything on this fucking debate. Golf is where you draw the line. That's where it's going to be serious. Like you're talking about abortions abortion and the border and israel and the ukraine. This is where we draw the line.
Speaker 2:This is where you draw it golf.
Speaker 3:You're gonna insult my golf game. Yeah, how dare you sir?
Speaker 4:he's got to connect with that. You know upper, middle, lower elite class, you know he's got to get to that right, because he's not, he's not. They're not talking to us, they're not talking to anybody. They're not talking to anybody who actually, I guess, gives their shit, or that it matters who gets it.
Speaker 3:I didn't know that. Did you know that Donald Trump has won two club tournaments, two? And you know that takes skill, that takes up here, it takes some mental focus.
Speaker 4:I would say this is an audio format.
Speaker 3:He's got to be able to hit that ball real far. He can hit real far and straight and straight. Yeah, you know that takes a lot of fitness for a guy his age.
Speaker 4:Well, you know, I'm gonna.
Speaker 2:He's very physically fit. He has his own doctor that he has been seen by.
Speaker 4:Who then came out right afterwards saying like, yeah, he wrote all of that and I just had to sign it. That's what they paid me to do. Have you seen that video of the doctor after the fact? Yeah, the fact, yeah, he was like, yeah, uh, trump wrote, donald wrote that entire thing and then and you could tell from the language like he's the fittest, he's the greatest fit, he's the most fit I've ever seen.
Speaker 3:It's like yeah, it sounds like fucking he's the most, he's the fittest man I've ever met. Yeah, it's like of course I was.
Speaker 2:He looks like a melted orange ice cream cone. Like you're the dream sickle which is so.
Speaker 5:I would like to think that in an alternate universe, they, they could have been lovers.
Speaker 2:Why was that everybody? Where did that meme come from? I?
Speaker 5:think it came from TikTok, especially after the debate, like people would edit out certain parts of the debate and put it into a video to make it look like they were lovers or that they were like you know it was some sort of like gay ship.
Speaker 2:Somebody highlighted the pee pee in the back. There's a pee pee in the back. There's a pee pee in the back. There's a pee pee. It says like p p e, e, p e p p, p, p.
Speaker 5:I was the whole time I was waiting for another fly to like land on somebody's head like I needed something.
Speaker 3:It looked like it was gonna fucking land on joe biden the way his fucking mouth opened like he was catching them bitches I'm gonna come start fucking eating him that's how he gets his stuff.
Speaker 2:to this he had the most heavy dose of uppers ever after the break, did you?
Speaker 5:notice. So when he started like the very first half, like he was, it was pretty rough and then they did the break and he came back and he seemed it like Because he took a bump of coke. That's what I said coke.
Speaker 2:He got some gum. That gum works 120, 160 milligrams. It'll work for you, works for me, most crazy dose of numbers.
Speaker 4:No, no man, I mean I, it didn't fucking help. I mean on the, on the point of their golf game. It's saying something when somebody who's what a couple years younger than him and has only eaten mcdonald's his entire fucking life, have never worked out because he doesn't believe in it, can actually be in better shape than fucking Biden. So that's point number one which is problem, you know.
Speaker 3:I saw a real fun picture today. It was like in the White House. It was like one of the tables and it was all covered in like McDonald's products and it showed the Lincoln gravy bowl and it had a bunch of like sauce packets in it and it was like Butler of like sauce packets in it and it was like butler through like strained tears and it was like, yes, sir, I suppose we can use the lincoln gravy boat for the szechuan sauce oh my god, it's a country we've come into that's yeah, exactly, I mean it would be.
Speaker 4:It would be funny it wasn't so fucking sad that we have to laugh at it. That's the worst part about it.
Speaker 5:We have to use humor to to cope with it.
Speaker 4:That's what I'm saying and it's kind of like how are these our options? Not only that, I feel like it's almost like it's intentionally co-opted to be humorous, because they like I don't know if anybody actually gave a shit, or when they gave a shit, it wasn't funny. Like if you're not laughing at it, it's cringe. It's like why are you taking this seriously? It's just these two old guys yelling basically fighting exactly, and it's like kiss already.
Speaker 4:You think it really fucking matters who who gets in office or who doesn't, and they're gonna do all the same shit anyway exactly. I mean, both presidencies have now four years of trump, four years of biden. They both were clusterfucks and garbage and they weren't in charge. You know trump said all this wild shit and still did whatever. You know the country still limped on. Biden did all, wasn't even there, said all this wild shit that was backwards and trailed off and dementia ridden and shitting his pants. Country still fucking riled oniled on Falling over.
Speaker 4:Military continued on, we continued getting paid and we continued going overseas for more wars and protecting Israel. I mean, it doesn't fucking matter who the fuck is in charge.
Speaker 3:Next year it's going to be the same fucking thing.
Speaker 4:I mean it's frustrating, I don't know. It's frustrating to the point of being hilarious that we've got to make memes about this shit now, because how else are we going to sleep at night? Like, literally, that's our commander in chief we're gonna just make it funny.
Speaker 2:We, we cope with dark humor I can't.
Speaker 4:There's no other. That's what I'm saying. There's no other way as an individual.
Speaker 2:You can't do anything about it it's not even individual even as a whole, you can't do anything about it as a collective.
Speaker 3:There are four of us right now, exactly, and if there, was 4,000, 4 million of us, it still wouldn't.
Speaker 4:There's 330. I mean, even if we split it right down the middle, there's 175 million adults in this country and there's still no collective that we could have that would change anything that's happening right now Did you put a piece of gum? In. I've had it in.
Speaker 3:It's kind of funny with the mustache, yeah, look the lip curl. I remember that. Look, we're about 175 million people in this country you know.
Speaker 5:I watched this drive.
Speaker 4:I was. I heard somebody recently say like isn't it wild that, as bad as Bush was and as much as people hated him, people are like missing him right now, like he would be the moderate out of all that we were talking about that on the way up here, about how it's crazy that, like what is considered like a Republican, they're like.
Speaker 3:What would have been a Republican like 20 years ago is now like.
Speaker 4:Is now like not flip your uh Like you're getting the back, there it is.
Speaker 3:I don't say well into here, cuz you're mitt in the back of it and it was like cutting out the back end like what would have been like a regular republican is like now, like not a republican, like he's like shunned by the, the party of today, because it's like it's all gone to, like an extreme, you know, and like anything that used to be moderate trump is the only republican party that exists.
Speaker 4:There's no republican party anymore. It's just trump, it's trump's, it's the mega party, yeah, which is any attempt to be bipartisan is met with just complete ostracization. But then even.
Speaker 3:Ostracization.
Speaker 4:The bird.
Speaker 3:They are ostracized.
Speaker 2:An ostracized, an ostrich.
Speaker 3:Today's episode was brought to you was filmed in front of a live studio ostrich.
Speaker 2:They were brought to you by an ostrich.
Speaker 4:But even. Dems man have gone so far the other way as well it's like AOC.
Speaker 4:What's the squad called Squad? Right, yeah, it's the Democratic Party of the squad, or those that are in favor of the old fucking guard which is Biden, and then you have MAGA Party. Those are the options, yeah, and they're all the same, though that's the point. It's like they're all going to continue doing all the shit that the CIA or anybody else wants. They're just going to pretend to care about Roe v Wade right now until the next one gets in office, and they're going to overturn it back the other way.
Speaker 2:They overturned Chevron.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and what does Chevron actually? What does that actually mean for the everyday person?
Speaker 2:I actually don't like fully know.
Speaker 4:Both because it doesn't mean shit, it didn't do anything outside of it gave. They're overturning a lot of shit.
Speaker 5:It basically is like so, like Congress passes these very vague, ambiguous laws, and then it's like the federal agencies, like the EPA and like all these other agencies, that it's up to them to set more strict standards. And so, from what I understand, Interpretation is what they could do. Yeah, and so now? So from what I understand now, it takes away power from those federal agencies.
Speaker 4:It just takes it back to the court, which I mean who has more scary? Well, who has more money, one of those agencies or the average person, who's going to get prosecuted the same way they've been getting prosecuted by these agencies.
Speaker 4:So like if the ATF, atf breaks down you do it like Boeing, well, that's just a corporation. No, I'm saying like ATF, fda, boeing Well, that's just a corporation. No, I'm saying like ATF, fda, DEA, epa, et cetera. If they were to, who are you know? If they were to fall outside of that federal like jurisdiction and they were to break down your door, who's going to? Who's going to immediately lose? It's the person's door getting kicked down. And then, let's say they were wrong and they were outside of their jurisdiction, are you going to be able to have the funds to take them to court?
Speaker 4:no and if you do take them to court, are you going to have the funds to continue it in continuing court after they fucking appeal, appeal, so that's, it didn't change shit. They still have more money than all of us. It won't matter. The only, the only difference is if you are, you know, if you are a celebrity or something, or if you are a corporation who happens to be on the opposite side of one of these um agencies.
Speaker 4:So the big one that anybody probably cares about, if I remember correctly, where they fall under jurisdiction, is DEA, because of the whole rescheduling of drugs, so because they took a couple of those drugs out of Schedule 1, dea will still want to prosecute and still want to push charges against X, y and Z people or not pardon people, depending on the state you're in. If that state's court is like yeah, we support the DEA in this, or the other state's court says we don't, then it's between those two states or between that plaintiff or that prosecution and whatever court they go to, dea still has billions of dollars. So the likelihood that you're going to win against them is very but like a research grant or something to maps or something may get granted now to a psychedelic research, or, but again, dod blocked um that latest uh psychedelic push for mdma, for vets and everything else. So again it's did chevron. Is it better or worse that chevron got overturned?
Speaker 5:I don't think I I think we'll find out. Yeah, I think we'll find out I think it's gonna be subjective.
Speaker 4:Some people are gonna say it and some people aren't. Like the union that put that that helps prison guards and the DEA federal agents. They're pushing for their paychecks. They're like, oh, we can't take money away from these guys. That puts food on the table for all these people.
Speaker 4:Like the prison union who prison guard? Union that continues to push for anti-marijuana, anti-psilocybin legislation? Because guess what, if we can't prosecute people for stupid drug charges, then guess what prisons exactly? We can't. We don't have prisoners and therefore we don't need guards to watch these prisoners. You know, etc, etc. It's a domino effect. Same thing the police unions have been doing for years. But what the fuck do we know? What the fuck do we know? Again why I say it's so frustrating that nobody's, it's not going to change, it doesn't fucking matter. So the fact that we're like, oh well, it's the democrats, it's the republicans, like that shit is always happening, regardless of who's in, who's in charge, regardless of the of the party, because that stuff makes money, keeps our economy going and if we want to fight over, like roe v wade or states rights or this, that the other, it's like we've come so far from all of that I have noticed.
Speaker 5:It seems like there's more focus on the scotus and what kind of decisions they're making and just from how I see it, it seems like they're making very inconsistent findings with certain cases, like they'll stand for one case and then you know they'll. I'm like, okay, like you know, that's more of a conservative leaning, and then they'll kind of go back on, uh, with other cases and they'll be cases and they'll be more of a liberal leaning, I guess, if that makes sense, Is it supposed to be case by case basis? It is, it is.
Speaker 5:For example, because the SCOTUS right now is very conservative leaning. But they also found that the bump stock ban from the Trump era was unconstitutional, and so they repealed that.
Speaker 4:And then they had another which is more of a conservative.
Speaker 5:yeah, yeah yeah, but then they also had the other case where they found that people who are domestic abusers cannot carry guns, which would, which was honestly something surprising, yeah, they upheld that, that court finding that if you have domestic assault charges that you can't, or if you're a domestic abuser, you are not allowed to own guns, which is like more liberal.
Speaker 5:Which, yeah, which I was comparing the two. I guess, like you have one side that's much more supportive of Second Amendment rights and, you know, giving everybody guns and having more access to guns and making sure that Americans can guarantee their right to bear arms and stuff like that. So I feel like there's just like inconsistencies with things or like I'm not fully understanding where they're coming from with some of their findings.
Speaker 4:Do you think that's a? I mean, I think that's a good thing. Yeah, no, no, I think both of those things were fine, no just even if I disagreed with the bump stock, whether I agreed or disagreed with them being banned or reinstated, or with ex-cons or ex-abusers having guns or not having guns, even if I was on the opposite side of where they ruled, I think it is better not. Let's just say the foundation of the United States is what we want to start from.
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Then anything after that. Yeah, I would say, needs to be a case-by-case basis, and something that would be a good example of that is like the was it the proclamation? Or the? Any amendment that has been enacted since and added excuse me, that we all agree and has bettered the society. I think, now that we're in any other case, of any of these cases since then, of like oh, is this better, like Roe v Wade, for example, that's a precedence. Is this a better precedence or a worse precedence? I think that's a debate that should continue and is continuing. So the fact that it's case-by-case basis for something like oh, like bump stocks, is that infringing on the Second Amendment? Is it not infringing? I mean, I have my opinion, somebody else has their opinion. I think it should be case-by-case basis. It shouldn't be a blanket statement, for I mean, if it's bump stocks today, then is it not pistol grip tomorrow?
Speaker 4:or infrared sights the day after, or long barrel rifles like those, should all be different. Subject is different situations rather than blanket statement. Second amendment yeah everybody gets a bazooka kind of a thing yeah, and then they have the um.
Speaker 5:so they overturned the roe v wade and then with the idaho versus um I think it was moyle, but technically idaho versus m tallah, I guess.
Speaker 5:but they've dismissed that case and turned it back to the state because they said they got involved too early and so but all that's going to happen with that is yeah, it feels like a delay, like it feels like they didn't want to put in their they didn't want to put in their ruling for it, because, you know, when Roe v Wade was overturned and that started a lot of trigger laws, a lot of states were very quick to put in certain laws about what they were and were not going to allow, and so the fact that they dismissed the Idaho cases was a little weird, in my opinion.
Speaker 4:You know what's weird for all of this conversation? A is you're saying, oh, they're kind of delaying, or that it feels like they're delaying. When are our politicians, or when are quote unquote our leaders not delaying Like they work? How many days out of the fucking year versus how many days we work out of the fucking year?
Speaker 3:jesus christ, you watch on like c-span when they're trying to vote for something and they're like, all right guys you gotta take a recess 15 minutes to you know and right now they're on. Aren't they on break right now and they're come back into session in like the next three weeks, or some stupid shit when they were trying to officiate the vote for trump, like or not for trump, the house of the speaker, uh, and like the whole thing. Like they, I watched it was like three or it's like.
Speaker 3:Well, it was like 1 am 2 am, like their time oh uh, january, on january 6th, yeah, it was like 1 am like their time east coast and they were like all right, like we're gonna vote on this one, like for the state, you know, everybody has 15 minutes to make their decisions and then everybody please, like hit your little button and we'll move on. And it was like 25 minutes later and people were still just like chat, gabbing it up and laughing and like, and the speaker was like hey guys, like we have to, you know it's time to vote. And they were just like ignoring him and that's holy fucking shit.
Speaker 4:And that's one instance where they're actually in session and that we wonder why there's so many shutdowns and delays.
Speaker 2:But again, how many half the time they're just fucking sitting there chatting it up I have an aunt who is actually a court reporter for that for the house, and she would not where. She didn't work a lot Throughout the year but when she did work she worked like 12 to 14 plus hours.
Speaker 4:And how often. How many days are is the average, you know?
Speaker 2:and let's average person it's like fucking so for doing well.
Speaker 5:12 to 14 hours a day? For how many days? I weeks or some shit, how many days I yeah Like, yeah, I mean even especially if you're making minimum wage like I remember making 12 to 14 hours a day. For how many days out of the year? Like three weeks or some shit? How many days out of the year.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying. I mean, especially if you're making minimum wage.
Speaker 2:I remember making minimum wage and she wasn't making minimum wage. She was making a full six-figure paycheck.
Speaker 4:But I'm saying making minimum wage. You had to just to make ends meet. Bare minimum, like 50 hours, that was. Whatever an hour you can't even imagine.
Speaker 3:That is with minimum wage. I wouldn't.
Speaker 2:You can't even do it.
Speaker 3:You have to have multiple jobs. I did.
Speaker 4:That's what I'm saying. Like you had to do minimum 50 hours a week at one job, maxing it out and getting like five hours overtime for you to bare minimum make it, and then you'd have your secondary supplemental job for like food and shit.
Speaker 5:They changed some of the laws with the department of labor labor. I know they they we had a meeting about it at work and we're supposed to get more information about it. But basically, salary employees are now entitled to overtime if they work. I did yeah, and they're supposed to be some sort of pay boost. I look, I've had. I'd have to look it over again because we talked about it a little bit, but mm-hmm and.
Speaker 5:But we're supposed to get more details as to exactly what it means. I just know that at my job they they're telling us that they're going to move salary employees to hourly, and I think that's how they're trying to get around that.
Speaker 2:There's always a loophole with that, Because technically, the benefit of a salary is you're able to come in when you want and leave when you want. So whenever you're in a busy time frame, you can crank shit out, get what you need done and still get paid the same. But rank shit out, get what you need done and still get paid the same. But that doesn't happen anymore.
Speaker 4:No salary. The benefit of a salary job is regardless of what you're working. So if you were to, you know if you, regardless of what you're working, you're going to get the same pay.
Speaker 4:So that's that's the benefit in terms of like you can't lose your job next month or next tomorrow, like the amount of hourly workers out there who will work a full 40-hour week and then, as soon as it gets to that 41 and a half, they'll get let go so they don't get overtime or they'll get furloughed or something like that and you don't have compensation. That's the difference between salary and hourly, because hourly, exactly the security of salary downside, which plenty of people and plenty of corporations, especially outside, like the federal government, which I, you can disagree or agree with have figured out, if I give them a salary, then I have to work them like a that salary.
Speaker 4:So if I'm giving them the equivalent of twenty dollars an hour. I gotta work them 80 hours a week kind of yeah, like you're fucking getting your your money's worth and I mean military, is, no, no different than that you your 24-hour watches, especially if you're on the ship or deployed or something Like. Good fucking luck making that quote-unquote salary back from the hours that you're living that lifestyle 24 hours, 24 hours.
Speaker 3:10 months baby, exactly 24 hours a day. When?
Speaker 5:Morpheus and I were the same rank and you know working. He was working different hours than I was, but we're making the same amount of money. Yeah, like one person works like a very shitty like work schedule when he was on the other person.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, when he was on deployment I was working in more or less a nine to five, like it was.
Speaker 2:It was definitely yeah, 24 seven, seven days, like hermes can work like four hours a day at work and I can be, you know, working like 10 hours but see, that's again you should frustrating.
Speaker 4:Well, setting aside the I mean it's, it's's just. That is literally the difference between hourly and salary, and so any legislation that goes into effect, they're going to find a way to keep it the exact same way they have it now.
Speaker 4:How are we going to work them more and pay them less? That's the whole point. And you look at, from 1971 onward, productivity goes up, hourly wage pretty much stays, or wage in general Salary, or hourly stays the same, it stays the same, it goes up. Like again off the top of my head I don't remember but from 71 I think, the gap has only increased 100, 200, now 500%, since it has never kept pace with productivity. If it did, everybody would be making $100 an hour.
Speaker 3:Which would be sick.
Speaker 2:It would be sick, that would be sick it would be sick, but our economy would tank if that happened.
Speaker 4:Well, instead, we make this. You know, basically, you know 10, 20 an hour and the ceos make a thousand dollars an hour. That's the difference, is there's? Yeah now there's, you know, because there's only 100 ceos so we can get eaten there'd just be less of them and less disgustingly rich and that gap would close it would, it would, and that's not okay and people can think say whatever you want.
Speaker 4:Now I'm gonna get accused of being the commie here, the socialist here. But there's again. There's some shit wrong which has been highlighted in this this latest um debate, this latest election cycle and again setting commander chief aside, which people were giving me shit recently about. Oh well, you know, doesn't that? What did they say? Like, isn't that against the? You know the rules or whatever. And I was like the show started because we were talking about commander in chief getting impeached the first time when Trump Trump was in office. What?
Speaker 3:do you need?
Speaker 4:So now that Biden is incompetent, which we've continued saying throughout the show, I'm not going to stop saying that commander-in-chief is incompetent and I don't trust him as a commander-in-chief. I wonder how much of the military thinks that probably a lot is that accepted?
Speaker 2:I reckon not even the military, just like the general general public yeah the general public's already called for biden to step down a lot of people have, but a lot of people.
Speaker 4:So I brought this point up and I'm curious what everybody thinks about the 25th amendment. I brought this up recently about when they were trying to throw the 25th amendment at trump, I didn't disagree with it. You have to remind me what that amendment is that he's incompetent? Yeah, he's a not fit for office, I think is the verbi verbiage.
Speaker 5:Isn't the impeachment articles, basically the terms to impeach a president.
Speaker 3:I'm not a government student, sorry so if you have advanced dementia, all of a sudden they can impeach you and kick you out of office, basically because you can't. So that way you don't get a mad king Agion or whatever.
Speaker 5:Agon Agon. Egg on O Egg on Egg on Agion Egg on.
Speaker 3:Ostrich Ostriches.
Speaker 5:What's the exact exact verbiage for Amendment 25?
Speaker 4:So the 25th Amendment, ratified in 1967, provides constitutional solution for presidential succession, addressing the procedures for replacing the president or vice president in the event of death, removal, resignation or incapacitation. So there's a couple sections for it, and the section that was thrown at Trump was the incompetence one or incapacitation one. Basically, you're not either mentally, physically or otherwise fit for office. And again, I didn't disagree with it because there's a lot of reasons that I would argue and a lot of people have.
Speaker 4:Trump is egotistical, egomaniac, short tempered, you know, is a is a con artist. When it comes to business, everybody's like, oh, he's such a good businessman. It's like, no, he's really not. And any business that he does, he like reneges on paying people. He, you know, sign contracts, get half the shit done and then pull out of the contract last second so nobody gets paid, so that he doesn't. He can set that as a loss paid.
Speaker 4:On tax, he's like a crony man, he's, you know, everybody's like, oh, we need to pay taxes from the billionaires. Yeah, we had a president who was the most epitome, clear example of how you evade taxes and get around the fucking system. And he was the one setting precedents and executive orders and signing legislation to go around all of that shit. So that was problem number one. That's unfit, in my opinion, for office. So when 25th Amendment was brought up maybe unjustfully so I was like, well, fuck it, this guy fucking sucks. If this is the way that they're going to play this fucking chess game and get him out, I would agree with that, even though I knew and and still agree and think that if it was to go all the way up to court or wherever, it's not legally you can't prove it he was still able to form sentences, even if he's a dumbass and says I'm the greatest, the best and these are the greatest sentences ever the fittest person my doctor has ever seen and can't fucking punctuate or capitalize or complete sentences those late night.
Speaker 2:2 am tweets.
Speaker 4:I bet he doesn't know what the object of a preposition is, kind of a thing. He's a fucking moron, plain and simple. He's been fed a silver spoon his entire life and he doesn't know up from down outside of his own asshole. Then we get to now Again. Then we get to now again. Still don't think, though, that you could prove he is incapacitated at the point of being unfit for office. Now we're in a position where that legitimately. Now, as much as I hate Trump, I can't say that he is more incapacitated on the 25th Amendment than Biden is. So now we're at a serious point where you can legally prove this guy probably is not all there and he has a nuclear launch codes, or people around him have the ability to say that he has a nuclear launch codes and do something. So we're in another like cold war situation. Kennedy had all his faculties and he was able to negotiate with was it gorbachev? Out of the cold war and and outside of a nuclear holocaust.
Speaker 4:I have zero faith in anybody in office right now having that ability they don't whoever the aides are that are fucking signing for diane feinstein before she fucking died, who are pulling biden along and helping him along, whether it's his fucking wife, or I don't think it's kamala harris, because she can't complete a fucking sentence either like where the fuck is she? They're fucking hiding her because she has word salad sandwich vomit every time she gets in front of the fucking camera we have, and that's again, that's the most frustrating part.
Speaker 5:Go off. Queen Say it.
Speaker 3:We were just talking about how it's like what the fuck ever happened to Kamala. Like you never hear from her, like you never hear anything about her.
Speaker 4:They even like there was a rumor that she died and then they gave her an interview with Oprah and then she has like this you didn't see that latest campaign thing that they I think was at BET. That the little it was within the last couple of days that she did.
Speaker 5:You didn't see the Biden campaign bisexual flag coffee mug where they had three different pictures of Kamala Harris in different colored pantsuits, aligned with the bisexual colored flags. That's hilarious that aligned with the bisexual colored flags. That's hilarious. Um, I just saw I was even telling more. Um, yeah, morpheus, that. Um. It's like we heard more from, like, michelle obama, who wasn't even yeah she was, she was not vice president.
Speaker 5:She had nothing to do with anything. She was first lady, but she did a lot more. She was much more involved in than I feel like kamala harris was what's kamala harris doing now?
Speaker 3:just collecting a paycheck probably.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I don't even know so I just want to show you guys this quick little. You haven't seen this one. I'm. Where is it? God damn it it's just this guy talking. There it is Again. I don't want this guy's commentary, I just want the fucking video.
Speaker 3:I don't know. He's got a little plastic skeleton next to him. Sounds like he.
Speaker 5:He could be president.
Speaker 4:I literally just want the fucking video. God damn it. Ah, fuck it, I'll, I'll find it.
Speaker 3:wherever I did, like the, I saw a campaign ad for Joe Biden and he's like I may be old but I'm not out of this race yet like it was pretty funny. They try to make him look so like, so hip and cool, you know uh, nothing's gonna save definitely made jokes about his age but that's the thing they've been.
Speaker 4:They've been gaslighting up to the point and carrying him along that debate, though that was pretty, that was pretty damning it?
Speaker 4:it what they say immediately oh my God, he's got a cold, it was a bad night. And they're still saying no, he's the nominee. They're even saying we're going to push him and do early, we're going to basically prevent all of the primary voting so nobody has a choice for any alternative candidate and he's going to be the nominee regardless. Again, we're in a very fucked up situation where, situation where again it's like we don't have a choice. Um, they're. I mean you could say they're rigging this and that post, fucking ross perot, uh, you know, let's, let's change dnc or let's change debate criteria, especially this time. We're not going to allow rfk on on, uh, on the debate stage, uh, or on the ballot, as much as we can, despite any grassroots movement. Same thing with Bernie. They did. I mean, it's not.
Speaker 4:I mean, and again it's like I'm literally sitting here thinking to myself like, oh my God, go off, sis, cringe as fuck, because, god forbid, I fucking care. Like what the fuck happens to my? I don't know our country, my military, my roads, my fucking schools. I mean, I don't know our country, my military, my roads, my fucking schools. I mean I don't even have fucking kids and this shit is terrifying. We were 200th in the world when I was in school. What the fuck are we now Like? Nobody can add, nobody can read. I mean, this is a problem, serious problem, as far as like empires crumbling and collapsing and in the last 50 to 100 years everybody just acts like everything's fine and just lets it crumble around them. You know, this is this, is a roman empire kind of situation and everybody's like oh my god, don't compare this or that. And there's every talking head outside of there who wants to again minimize it. And yet we have a fucking incompetent president and everybody wants to pretend like it's totally fucking fine. What the fuck is going on?
Speaker 4:the option is the other guy, who's also pretty incompetent, incompetent, andpetent and ego-driven and fucking only wants to set up his own legacy for him and his kids. And let's do offshore or overseas fucking negotiations with this oil monarch or that dictator country, so long as I get more real estate contracts Kind of like a supervillain. All of it is fucked up. But again Biden, yeah, he's dumb and incompetent. You know he's an old man, but like supervillains are all around him propping him up that we're just not seeing. I mean and you could say the same thing again. You know, back towards again I've said this, I don't even I feel like a broken record. Cia took over a long time ago. All these fucking shady agencies took over a long time ago. They've been running the shit like cabals, Back room cigars, and here we are Finally getting smart to it. I guess some people and we can do literally nothing. We can just sit here and laugh about it and make a fucking podcast that nobody will fucking hear. And here we are.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they don't even want to kill us. You know why? Because it doesn't even fucking matter.
Speaker 4:no one's gonna listen to us anyway they killed the last person, quite a few people who could do anything and anytime somebody who can do something dies. There's a journalist you know gets chopped up overseas. There's a you know in the states journalist who has a fucking hard drive, a terabyte full of fucking fbi informants and you know undercover cia and guess what? All of a sudden, mysteriously, his fucking car hastings I think his last name with fucking car magically goes off the rails at 200 miles an hour on a busy intersection, crashes into a fucking tree where his engine is ejected and he's pulverized. Shocker how that happened. They're always suicided.
Speaker 4:Always suicide. Yeah, all the cameras didn't work in Epstein's fucking room and the guard fell asleep and another guy was taking a piss and somehow, somehow, some, some way, he kills himself in a way that can't be done poor john mcafee man.
Speaker 3:Yeah, there was a whole thing that he put out that was like if I die in prison, it was not suicide and guess what? Guess what he suicided. Granted, his wife didn't say that he had become quite depressed in the last couple of months, but still still just like okay, so that was my president, john mcafee.
Speaker 4:So so then, uh, veering back out of the abyss that we often go into, or that I do, we have. We have a couple options. Do a does anybody have any faith that we have anything set up as a you know institutional foundation left to where we can veer back on course, whether it's like RFK getting elected I mean, you and I at least you've talked about this we're actually, I'm actually going to come back out of the web, you know woodworks, just to put a protest vote for the first time since Obama, saying like maybe we can show a direction that's outside of these two fucking candidates.
Speaker 2:Yeah, show a direction that's outside of these two fucking candidates.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that's why I am voting. Do we have any faith that, even Okay, rfk gets?
Speaker 3:elected, he better stay out of Dallas.
Speaker 4:They're refusing him.
Speaker 3:Don't go to Dallas, no convertibles in Dallas, that's for damn sure.
Speaker 2:You're going in a bunker.
Speaker 3:We're keeping you away from that city. No grassy knolls around that guy. We're taking you to from that city. No grassy knolls around that guy. We're taking you to Iceland.
Speaker 4:Is he going to die if he gets elected?
Speaker 2:I hope I don't see a presidential assassination in my lifetime. We've seen some.
Speaker 4:We've literally seen. That's what they just released Assange with that plea deal for exposing. I mean he was in that embassy for what 12 years and what eight years before that and a different one in that embassy for what 12 years and what eight years before that in a different one. So basically he's been in house arrest that wasn't in his house for the last 15-some years. He just got released, finally got back to go back to Australia see his daughter and his crime was being the publisher of war crimes and presidential attacks, random drone strikes that were on innocent people. So yes, we've seen it in our lifetime.
Speaker 4:I just didn't notice.
Speaker 3:You were probably what? Six or something in 2004?. You were probably sleeping or playing. I was 10.
Speaker 5:2004. I was too busy playing with Barbies. Sorry, I didn't care about.
Speaker 3:Your parents didn't either. I was making my Barbies scissor't care about too busy.
Speaker 4:Your parents didn't either.
Speaker 5:That's why I was making my barbie scissor I. I was too busy with that shit.
Speaker 3:Yeah, playing with barbie going on it like idiots. Instead of buying cheap real estate I know right holy, wasting time. Instead of applying for cheap home loans?
Speaker 4:well, our parents didn't care about it either, so yeah, that's why we're here.
Speaker 3:I remember very distinctively when I was younger and my other younger friends, I would try to talk about politics with them and they'd be like, yeah, you know, I just don't really care because it doesn't affect me. Well, guess what it does? The inflation's fucking over the roof and it's fucking impossible to buy a house. Yeah, congratulations. Maybe if 20 years ago we would have given a shit. I mean, 20 years ago was already probably too late, honestly.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I distinctively remember 9-11 being a huge turning point.
Speaker 3:Damn Bush, I mean, but just like we said during COVID what I wouldn't do to have Bush back If you ask any adult or even teenager who remembers 9-11, remembers the before and after.
Speaker 5:There was major shifts in just how our country operated and how people thought about you know how the tsa came from.
Speaker 3:That, if you ask my parents, it was obama that was who ruined the country. Jesus, that's when all the bad started was after obama yeah, well, if we could stop that bullshit.
Speaker 4:I mean I'm no, no offense to your parents and I mean no, frankly, frankly, no offense to mine.
Speaker 3:Um, but that's retarded that's the dumbest shit I've ever heard, and we keep doing it. And that's the.
Speaker 4:I don't know what percentage of the population in this country still is that, but I know it's not small.
Speaker 4:We have the MAGA population it's certainly a percentage, and it was bigger back then and therefore we got fucking bamboozled, just like you know, just like we did in COVID I said it on the record, anybody can go back to those early COVID days. I said they're going to use this as as a means to take advantage, to take more power, just like they did with the Patriot Act. And I don't like and they did mark my fucking has anybody read into project 2025? Okay, this keeps coming up, don't get me started.
Speaker 5:It gives me it like, throws me into a panic attack. I've read more and more about it and I didn't tell. I told Morpheus like if I even see a fucking inkling of what's being proposed in Project 2025 actually taking effect, I'll fucking move to Scotland.
Speaker 4:We're leaving, they're not letting you Just like they did in Russia. Nobody's getting out, there's no planes Again.
Speaker 3:I mean they literally there's no planes.
Speaker 4:There was a fucking I'll swim and it's come out.
Speaker 3:More and more we're going to Mexico.
Speaker 4:It's come out more and more and more. How much foreign we'll just say foreign actors. You guys, I'm sure have gone down the rabbit hole. Any listener out there, I hope, has gone down the rabbit hole, but there are so many foreign actors that played a part in 9-11. Nobody can say that wasn't a fucking missile that hit the Pentagon.
Speaker 2:Nobody can say that this was not orchestrated and intentionally allowed to happen.
Speaker 3:You have a friend who knows a lot about 9-11. Oh, I just saw a whole thing. I just read this whole thing about how, like when I forgot where, which plane it was specifically, but like the black box reporter or recorder was like absolutely destroyed, but like the terrorist's passport was like remarkably, yeah, they got them out of the uh two, the twin towers that collapsed, and somehow we couldn't find bodies.
Speaker 3:But we found their passport there was no, yeah, like there's no bodies. The black box recorder, the thing specifically designed to survive a plane crash, was like disintegrated. But they found a passport, completely untarnished, perfectly readable. It's super sketchy. It's super sketchy.
Speaker 4:It's super sketchy. Again, you can set all that circumstantial stuff aside. There's videos, there's paper trails in terms of money. There are insider diplomats, and every time I go to the fucking airport and I see these fucking foreign diplomats cut in front of everybody. It's like what the fuck have you done for this country outside of? Encouraged terrorism and literally worked with terrorists to get them in and out of the country, smuggled Saudi terrorists in and out of the country and families with Saudi ties to royalty in and out of the country. That funded the entire operation. It was a fucking coup. It was a fucking disagreement amongst two factions within the deep state whatever the fuck you want to call it in our country and one of them won, and the one that won was the more authoritarian of them, or decided in order to cover all of this up, we had to get more authoritarian. Here's the Patriot Act. Here's the NDA. Afterwards, here we are with indiscriminate drones and overthrowing the other.
Speaker 3:Democratic. I just really want to know more than anything else how do I join said faction?
Speaker 4:You have to be from that bloodline, skull and bones for your grandfather and grandfather's grandfather.
Speaker 3:I'd be a great agent, dude. I'm all about cloak and dagger. You know like I'd be all about it. Sign me up.
Speaker 4:Let's go.
Speaker 3:I've watched Game of Thrones.
Speaker 4:I can do this. Oh yeah, it's funny if it. It's funny if it didn't matter so fucking much for literally the stake of humanity, because this, this infighting shit, and this, this back and forth, and this faction, whatever the fuck it is going on in this country. We have been the superpower for X amount of years, you know last six decades or more. You know World War II onward, we'll say even World War I onward.
Speaker 3:What happens when India takes over as the dominant power? We are basically we're all gonna walk around barefoot and wipe our asses with our hands.
Speaker 4:If we're the umbrella and these are the holes that we've seen in the umbrella blanket over the world, that we've had, this shroud that we've had over there, if these are the holes poking up finally, through all of our facade and all of our propaganda, the foundation underneath it that we've intentionally continued to perpetuate is so much uglier than anything any of us probably have seen I mean we. I mean I grew up with beheadings and shit on on, you know, on jan, on fuck it. Yeah, I was gonna say ashheadings and shit on.
Speaker 4:you know, Poor Jan, On fucking. I was going to say Ash G's, you just type in, you know.
Speaker 5:India. I was going to say India cat video. It was an ISIS back then.
Speaker 4:Taliban beheading.
Speaker 3:Al Qaeda.
Speaker 4:It was cartels that was the one that fucked me up the most, was all the cartel shit yeah cartels.
Speaker 4:I was going to say shit. It was like look up gorecom, oh, I remember gore. But yeah, the point is, I mean there any time you think that you'd be shocked, somehow something comes through and I'm not and it's even more shocking and I'm like surprised again. I'm like, wow, I guess I didn't see all the crazy shit out there. So that means there's probably not, probably there is guaranteed shit out there that's even crazier and continues getting crazier. And then you have the sliver, you know. Then you have these like disinformation, intentionally disinformation Campaign started from CIA, you know, started from FBI, cia, etc. So that we can get cringe and discredit all of these fucking ideas, so that it again to your point, so that we like joke about, like yeah, I really wish I was part of CIA. I, I want no part of CIA, I want no part of making the world worse than it already is.
Speaker 3:You can't beat them. Join them, you know. You know what I'm saying. I have a hot take.
Speaker 4:Not a hot take. This is why Ted Kaczynski blew his fucking brains out.
Speaker 3:I have a theory, not like the fires and shit, and everyone was like oh, it's lasers. I think I fully, I came up with this on my own. I'm fully under the impression that the lasers theory is all literally government misinformation. That was a planted theory to distract people from the fact that our power grid is like 60 years out of date and is crumbling and while we have the money to fix it, we're not, for whatever reason.
Speaker 4:It's not for whatever reason. It's very very intentional reasons Like what Morpheus is like like what I mean.
Speaker 4:We've talked about this many times. I figured it was just laziness. I would say that's a part of what I'm going to say. But why prep for something that might happen if we can pay for things that are happening today? Right? So, like everybody's paycheck has to happen and all this debt we have to keep paying towards, we gotta send money to the Ukraine. We have to. These are things that are happening today and tomorrow. Why worry about the sun, Whereas the power grid, like you said, 60 years outdated?
Speaker 3:Well, it's made it the last 59 years doing pretty good. It might make it 61, 65, 67, I mean. But the fact that like, yeah, like in lineman school, they literally teach like linemen that are working on the power grid, that, like our power grid is crumbling like our power grid, outdated one-armed madman yeah, you went to lineman school and he talked about lost a fucking arm working working on it about how, like, how decrepit our power system is.
Speaker 3:So I'm fully under the impression that that was literally like the laser Thing. That's just like a government misinformation thing just to distract from how bad our power grid is, specifically like Hawaii's power grid is real fucking island, dude.
Speaker 4:You know I live and.
Speaker 3:I've had multiple like surveys and shit where they talked about like yeah, we need to clear some brush, we need to do some maintenance, and they were like now we're going to pump money into the resorts or something Like we're going to pump that money somewhere else.
Speaker 4:We need to do off-island hunting. We need to import a lot more infrastructure to the planes.
Speaker 3:Something finally actually happened and they were just like, ah shit, what can we do to distract from? The fact that, like yeah, what can we do to distract from the fact that, like it was freaking? Sharks with freaking laser beams on. We can put these pictures of a transformer blowing up in brazil 10 years ago and we can say it was a laser beam people we can get these three guys on tiktok that have 20 million followers to say it was lasers.
Speaker 3:And and now everyone's saying it's lasers. It's that easy. You have three plants on TikTok that start it and then it just fucking spreads like wildfire. Then all the other people take it. I hate TikTok.
Speaker 4:Well, think about all the bots I mean. So a lot of things can happen simultaneously is what I've been becoming obviously more aware of. I would say, and especially with a lot of this huge like propaganda has been our specialty for a while. The US propaganda has been our specialty for a while, but with fucking.
Speaker 3:American Sniper.
Speaker 4:Lone.
Speaker 3:Survivor.
Speaker 2:Act of Valor. Saving.
Speaker 3:Private Ryan, World War II. We were the good guys.
Speaker 4:Look, that's a masterpiece. That's Tom Hanks. Matt Damon okay, they saved Matt Damon. Full metal World War II. We were the good guys. Look, that's a masterpiece by Stephen Tom Hanks Matt Damon okay, they saved Matt Damon.
Speaker 2:Full metal jacket Matt Damon.
Speaker 4:The greatest actor of our time. Full metal jacket. Point is a lot of these things can happen simultaneously, and because we live in such a connected and confused world, these things can almost intentionally happen simultaneously so that you can see which one spreads fastest and which one can then confuse the next one and then which one can confuse the real. I mean, it's just a domino effect. All of this literally today.
Speaker 3:Today, I heard from like one of my junior sailors that oh no, like yeah, biden's supposed to step down any minute now. And I was like, oh yeah, like yeah.
Speaker 4:And Trump's still going to gonna happen.
Speaker 3:They're like, yeah, they're gonna put michelle obama up for office. And I was like, okay, where did you hear that? Oh, so-and-so, sent me a tick-tock about it, because last night, apparently, the white house ordered 41 pizzas from a pizza place, and that means that means that they're doing something. Pizza gate that means they're doing something. They're keeping all the staff late. So that way, that means they're doing something. They're keeping all the staff late. So that way, that means they're doing something. And that was just like where are you getting all this information?
Speaker 4:Connect the dots Connect the dots.
Speaker 3:It's always TikTok. Oh yeah, TikTok.
Speaker 5:You know all the people, Anytime I hear something on TikTok, I usually go and I go find out where that source is and I would say nine times out of 10, it is greatly exaggerated, oh, but I think nine times, nine, nine point five times. So there's certain things I'm like okay, there was 10 of truth in what was said, 10 to like 30 of truth, like the the very foundation of what was said was true. However, there were major exaggerations, and so anytime I see something on tiktok and even my dad and I have had a conversation because he's uh recently grounded my siblings from, uh, from tiktok because he was like, yeah, anybody can say whatever fucking opinion they want on there and you know people who may not know better just take it immediately as as as true there, there is truth on tiktok.
Speaker 5:However, I don't think. I think the more exaggerated something is, the more you know, the more views you get, the more likes you get, the more comments you get I learned all this information get the more comments you get. I learned all this information. It's not helpful.
Speaker 3:I learned all this information today, and it was spoken to me with such a certainty that it was just a fact that today this was all going to happen. And guess what, here we are, and Michelle Obama is still not the Democratic nominee. See, Morpheus.
Speaker 4:that's the American way A if you say something confident enough, then it becomes true.
Speaker 5:And if you say something confident enough, then it becomes true.
Speaker 4:And if you then continue that confident lie. You can probably continue it on and become president. Continue it on, for I want to be president for as long as you like, and then maybe, maybe we'll declassify the real truth 60 years down the road, where it doesn't fucking matter and everybody reads it and it's like, oh my gosh. And then there's like a two, you know, two or three of us are like the downwinders. This is ridiculous downwinders.
Speaker 5:I learned recently. Learned about learn about that. She's one that taught me we talked about that in the last episode a little bit Also learned about the Edgewood, I think, is what it's called the, those experiments where they gave soldiers Just like drugs. Lsd, specifically in DMT, I think it was, and they like recorded their MKUltra was a big portion of that they basically gave them all these like psychedelic drugs because they wanted to see what would happen.
Speaker 5:They wanted to see if it would help, because this was around the Cold War, I think, and so or it was the 60s. Vietnam was most of the.
Speaker 4:Black Panther Party and the FBI's infiltration of that.
Speaker 5:Vietnam slash Cold War, and so they wanted to see if giving soldiers LSD or DMT, all that stuff to make like super soldiers and they just found it. Or maturing candidates as well they just found it fucked them up.
Speaker 3:The men who stare at goats or whatever is supposedly based off of like a semi-true thing that happened ever supposedly based off of, like a semi-true thing happened. The army literally had a unit that was like investigating, uh, like you know, telekinesis and like paranormal stuff, like the cia trying to figure out if it worked.
Speaker 4:If you think about it, the cia is the ultimate collection of nerds, right? No, it's, it was 100 founded on that's literally the agency of intelligence and every ethos, every, you know every moral fiber that they ever had.
Speaker 3:You're talking all serious and all I see is this picture of Kamala Harris behind you with just the biggest shit like eating grid, Like ah.
Speaker 4:Hello, I wish I could have found that one, but oh well. There you go, she's been distracting us, if you want, if you want to hear some crazy connections to mk, ultra, the manson family, all of those chaos tom o'neill highly recommended, I recommended that to you. This we talked about the last episode I think it was either fantastic I do.
Speaker 4:I would like to read it fantastic and it scratches the surface of all of these little jfk. Isn't is included in that? Uh jfk assassination, the mafia's ties to that and a lot of uh bugliosi's like fucked up shit that he glossed over and a lot of his any. I need to read.
Speaker 3:I need to read. Uh, behold a pale horse. She got it for me for christmas or my birthday one year christmas, yeah, and that one's supposed to be kind of like wacky too and that one's a little bit. Behold a Pale Horse. She got it for me for Christmas or my birthday one year Christmas. Yeah, that one's supposed to be kind of wacky too. That one's a little bit older, more like Roswell Aliens and like Eisenhower making deals with the aliens.
Speaker 2:Like American Horror Story, literally like American Horror Story.
Speaker 3:That's actually that season and a lot of the events in that are based off of some of the actual conspiracies that the dude writes about in behold the pale horse, because he was like a naval intelligence officer and like there's like a whole thing, yeah, where, like eisenhower made deals with the aliens and then, like kennedy, found out when he took office and he was gonna spill the beans and they were like well, we can't, we're gonna kill you can't have them do that like.
Speaker 2:But yeah, a lot of that season of american horror story is actually based off of the whole thing that's what I do like about American Horror Story is it finds some things and then exaggerates it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean, like the Death Hotel or whatever Season 5 Hotel. That's actually a hotel, it's just not the Hotel Cortez. Yeah, it's like, but there was actually a hotel and people like he had a whole like weird shoot system and it went down to the basement and he murdered people and sent them down to the basement.
Speaker 4:Let let's take a veer before we roll into taps in the next I don't know, half hour, I don't know, I'm going to go to sleep. Well, let's veer into more of the fun, because you know I can't address the TikTok and social media. You know what's true and what's not at this episode.
Speaker 3:I'm still waiting for Michelle Obama to announce her running.
Speaker 4:I can't address the QAnon latest misinformation, disinformation, grassroots movement of conspiracy, but on the topic of the initial two possibilities I started with, which was RFK gets elected, probably going to die or hopefully doesn't die, probably not going to change anything.
Speaker 4:The other aspect, which is part of the Hawaii conspiracies and all of the debate craziness that's going on, is exactly what you're talking about here. It's all just disinformation. Well, so the one option was what can we do? And the best hope, if anything, is something that isn't hopeful right, which is RFK, or trusting the system, or changing ourselves, or overthrowing our own government and starting again.
Speaker 3:There's always the libertarian party Right.
Speaker 2:There's always a civil war.
Speaker 4:There's that side. Right there's always the libertarians. The other side of it is do we accept the zoo that we're existing in from our alien overlords that actually run everything?
Speaker 5:Well, so they're not actually aliens. Okay, so the world is flat, so don't get. No, I want to be serious. I want to be serious. We're a dome. We're a dome, get it right.
Speaker 3:We're not right like stephen king damn it we're surrounded by an ice wall and the north and the south pole are gates, and then there are 17 other continents outside of this, uh, outside of our what we have and we you're telling us we got isolated because we're retards well, no, we're like a zoo, great. But there's like one of the islands is called like dragon island. Like it's real, it's real fun outside of the walls.
Speaker 5:Like there's dragon island, it's like why do you say the wall, like game of thrones, like we had to?
Speaker 3:this is real shit I've seen on instagram real this is real shit. I've seen people try to explain with absolute let's.
Speaker 4:I want to thread the reality. Let.
Speaker 5:Hermes go back to the point he was trying to make.
Speaker 4:I'm going to thread reality. No, because we're just going to go into the fun aspect of it. We've gone dark enough, let's go fun. The Isle of Dragons.
Speaker 3:Maybe One of the theories is we are literally an entertainment source for higher intellectual beings.
Speaker 4:Okay.
Speaker 2:I've heard that one.
Speaker 4:Let's thread the needle on this one, okay.
Speaker 2:All theories and hypotheses are valid at this table.
Speaker 4:Are we a vault in Fallout? But I want.
Speaker 3:We are literally a vault.
Speaker 4:I want your guys' legit opinions about these because I can pull a source from X, y and Z, not Instagram reels with ice walls. But we have seen more UFOs recently, more and more acceptance of ufos. Pentagon releases this and refuses that. There's going to be another disclosure, another navy pie. Don't you do that in this goddamn studio while we're recording.
Speaker 5:I will get her dogs out of your mouth seriously for those who can't see uh, morpheus was trying to suck on my toes.
Speaker 3:I was just trying to make her. I was trying to make Hermes lose his train of thought.
Speaker 4:No such thing. No such thing. I have gum. We're good the economy.
Speaker 5:Was that your anti-horny gum?
Speaker 4:No, definitely not anti-horny, because I've definitely kept it in to keep that dildo dick going.
Speaker 1:Go on with your train of thought I can slap the shit out of Khaleesi's clit with it.
Speaker 3:Whoa, am I having a good night tonight. I may not be able to penetrate, but I can at least slap the shit out of that.
Speaker 4:No, that's what I'm saying. I'm not going to come. It's dildo dick. It's good for whatever the hell she wants, and so I can just beat the shit out of her cervix and yeah, see, I don't got that.
Speaker 3:It just dies Like. It just dies like a sad deflated balloon like imagine stepping on a hot dog and like half of it just splurting out one side.
Speaker 5:That's a really gross you ever microwave a hot dog too long and it gets all blistered.
Speaker 2:How?
Speaker 5:did we get to the hot dogs? Uh you, you literally said stop putting. Uh, you literally asked morpheus to stop putting my dogs in his mouth.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because I saw that.
Speaker 5:Sorry, hermes, we're being very disrespectful.
Speaker 3:I don't give a fuck, I'm having a great time.
Speaker 5:I'm a third share owner in this show. I might have a third whiskey.
Speaker 3:I'm about to pour mine. I need to take a Morpheus minute.
Speaker 4:Take your Morpheus minute, and then maybe we can dial the chaos down enough to continue.
Speaker 3:This is the time for you to reel it back in while I'm gone. You go ahead and mute me. You go ahead and mute me.
Speaker 4:Mike Daddy, I was going to say we'll thread the needle.
Speaker 5:Something about asking our opinions on something.
Speaker 4:Yes, because it's going to get as crazy as we want to get. We have seen more UFOs, there's been disclosures, there's been a lot of talk, a lot of interest in this and that, whether that's disinformation as to what technology we have as the US government, it still begs the question of we have no help on this side. Do we have hope if we actually are like living in a simulation in a zoo? There's aliens that are watching or involved.
Speaker 2:I would say no. Is there less hope or more hope? I feel like we're.
Speaker 4:Vault-Tec. Okay, so you think we're in an enclosure?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Like simulation almost. So this is why I said I want to know everybody's theories, where they put like factor or they put um. So you think we're in the Matrix? I want everybody's theories out here. I'm very curious because this is not only a serious conversation, but it's also not quiet and I can tell you why I think it's serious, but obviously we can't be serious yet.
Speaker 2:I feel like we are. I'm going to go back to Fallout. So we're in a little enclosure, we're in an experiment.
Speaker 4:Earth is a vault. Yeah. Okay, yeah, is this one of many vaults there's just like outside sources pushing on and variables that are movable. Okay, you know variables that are movable. Okay, first of all, you didn't play Fallout. I know you didn't. No, so the fact that you're pulling something out, I watched the show.
Speaker 2:Oh, you watched the show.
Speaker 4:I know now she's a fucking expert.
Speaker 2:I didn't say I was an expert. Don't ask my opinion, fucking move on.
Speaker 4:I want your opinion, no, but you can't start your opinion and your theory goes is that you think we're, and there's controlled and uncontrolled variables that are being pushed out.
Speaker 2:Dude, just do little experiments.
Speaker 4:I think I'm an experiment so you think human race, earth, all of the?
Speaker 2:species. I think we're all an experiment. Do you fuck with the war brain? Leave it alone. This bitch don't know about pangea this bitch don't know about.
Speaker 4:Pangea this bitch don't know about Pangea, so that's called the zoo hypothesis that Earth is like an enclosure and that either humanity or all the species on planet Earth are a means to an end. And that is one of the things that was brought up with. A lot of this disclosure stuff is that some of the Alexones crazy fucking conspiracies out there is um is claiming that we're a farm for souls, or what people might call souls. Now I I actually talked to your dad about this on when we were in boomers like alex jones no, no, it wasn't about alex jones well, I'm just saying that's the thing I'm making a segue.
Speaker 3:Yes, older people likeer people, my uncle. He thinks he's the goddamn savior I was just talking to my brother and he was talking about his dad and his dad is like you know I don't think he's all that crazy and he's like that's literally his whole thing.
Speaker 5:It's his shtick. He's Possums. Yeah, that's how it goes. Turn of the Frogs game. Turn of the Frogs game.
Speaker 4:What's his show?
Speaker 3:called. He has a whole show Info Wars. Info Wars. He's really funny and when you accept him as satire, he's fucking amazing. Because he's funny, I think Set it out. I don't have time for Alex Jones right now.
Speaker 4:So the zoo hypothesis, though, is legit in the way that it is entertained and a real possibility in that our little enclosure, whether it's flat earth in a dome or earth in itself, etc.
Speaker 3:My enclosure is an irish pub.
Speaker 4:That is true. One of the one of the crazier, wilder things is that we are a farm for quote-unquote souls. And again, what I talked to your dad and my dad about when we were drunk, playing pool in the garage at that Airbnb, was that I think, post reading, like Strassman's work on the spirit molecule, I think soul is just an outdated term and what we now call consciousness, right.
Speaker 4:And if we, and setting, setting most of the like scientific literature aside, for like modularization and you know, like uh, compartmental, not compartmentalization, um like evolution of modularization in the brain, whether it's complex, uh cortexes, uh, increased brain, etc. Etc. And sizes um whether it's single-celled all the way up to, let's say, the complex brain of like primate, setting that conversation aside for something that we can't quite answer yet in terms of consciousness, in terms of soul and whatnot. Do dogs go to heaven? Kind of a thing. I do think consciousness is the latest example or a better classification of what we previously called the soul. So if this is part of that conversation in terms of is there a higher dimension being, is there a higher intelligence being, a higher consciousness level being that is harvesting, we'll just say, humanity, or maybe all of the species that fall into this consciousness, soul.
Speaker 3:I mean you could even say it's like maybe like an energy, or something Like a meat grinder.
Speaker 4:That's my question is what's the? Because I've heard that theory proposed and it's like okay, so let's just say humanity is getting is a farm for souls, okay. So if I think of a farm as we understand it, we have cattle farms, we have chicken farms, we have pig farms.
Speaker 2:This is for this is a farm, you're going to find cows outside.
Speaker 4:This is for sustenance consumption. So are we yeah, are we a consumable? Is that what they're claiming?
Speaker 2:At this point, I feel like the torture is.
Speaker 4:But see, there's lots of different farms, right? There's, you know, like I said, there's consumable farms, cattle farms, et cetera. There's cocaine farms out there, which are fun times, entertainment, etc. Like you said, are we entertainment? Uh, uh, for some other higher being. There's also, you know, a plethora of other farms, right, that you could? You could almost label anything that produces an end product as a farm. So if the soul is the farm or is the end product, what exactly are we farming, or what exactly is the soul end product?
Speaker 3:like energy. Maybe, I don't know but is your consciousness energy exactly, and we don't know that yet well, let's, let's take it for this some people might say yeah, some people might say our soul is energy and you know there's a whole idea of energy can't be created, or it can't be created or destroyed, it just changes form. Well, technically.
Speaker 4:Well, technically is a hundred percent. I mean our consciousness, as we're experiencing it now, exists out of the energy that our body is producing and existing as the electrostatic impulses, et cetera, in our neurons.
Speaker 3:So we die. Theoretically, our body dies, but it's from the consuming of X, Y and Z. That continues that cycle, Because we're not a consumable because there's, like you know, we bury people and, like you, shared, maybe we bury them. That's a consumable.
Speaker 3:Maybe we bury them and underneath the ground they're eating us, or like it goes into the earth and the earth is somehow eating us. We also cremate people. We also mummify people. Yeah, but all of that is different transformations, transitions to fucking go back up into the ether, and that's what I would imagine just like, once our soul, our consciousness, leaves our body.
Speaker 4:That's what I'm saying, is, if that's a tangible thing.
Speaker 3:Or it flies up into the warp, and the warp is a very popular theme of Warhammer 40k.
Speaker 4:Khaleesi started this one. Khaleesi, what do you think the farm is? If you believe, do you believe that that is what it is?
Speaker 2:I think we're an entertainment farm.
Speaker 4:So this is season 7 of Earth. We're literally entertainment farm, so they're just. This is season seven of Earth.
Speaker 1:We're literally a zoo. We're like a zoo I feel like a zoo.
Speaker 2:Okay, people come to visit us for entertainment and I don't disagree with that. Do?
Speaker 3:you remember the Twilight Zone episode where the parents or it's like the couple that are driving home from the party and they get abducted by aliens basically, but they wake up and they're in the town that's empty. And then, but they wake up and they're in like the town that's empty, and then it's like the giant aliens like that come down, they like pick them up in this one. No, they pick them up and they're like little tiny and it's like a little kid and it's like basically, his parents like got him toys, yeah, but they were like humans and they put them in like this
Speaker 3:big dollhouse kind of thing, but it's like a whole town and so the whole time they're in this town it's all empty and they're trying to find the other people and this big hand keeps reaching down to try to grab them. They like run away and it's all in black and white and that's ends up what it was. They were driving home from a party. Dad had a couple, couple too many drinks and something crashed the car and like they knocked, passed out. It was a big hand reaching down and grabbing them and then he put them in their little, their new, little enclosure no recollection of that alright.
Speaker 3:Well, okay, I see that was met with crickets. We don't know the reference.
Speaker 5:I've never seen Twilight. Zone I do know the premise of Twilight Zone. I've never seen any of it.
Speaker 3:It's so fun the old ones are really. I agree, I had a remake in the 80's, I think.
Speaker 4:I like the old ones, the old ones were.
Speaker 3:Where was that?
Speaker 4:even William Shatner did an episode. He sees like a man on the wing of a airplane. Yeah, terror at 20,000 feet and it's like the original gaslighting right there.
Speaker 3:Like gremlin story symptoms, the Simpsons did a treehouse of horror. It was terror at 10 feet or whatever, and Bart saw the gremlin on the side of the bus.
Speaker 4:Well then, what do you? What Khaleesi do you? If we're entertainment, do you think then it's going to end badly for the season of humanity, or do you think it's going to end? You'll go to sleep if you're tired.
Speaker 2:I don't want the gum.
Speaker 4:You haven't drank anything, you've had water and you're over here saying you're going to fall asleep Because it's midnight. It's not, it's 1130.
Speaker 2:Almost midnight.
Speaker 3:Brian's having another scotch over here.
Speaker 4:I'm about to pour myself some of the bookers, I think.
Speaker 3:I got me some of this Woodford rye.
Speaker 4:Well then I don't?
Speaker 3:I ate a lot today, so I'm feeling good.
Speaker 4:There's no conclusion or limit to that, but I was just curious if that's the end of your hypothesis. Khaleesi, we are entertainment. You don't know if it's going to end good or bad? Yeah, prime, do you agree, disagree? Do you have another theory to offer the table?
Speaker 5:Can you give me what the general question was, Because I feel like we got a little bit off topic. So I was kind of I feel like I kind of you're just going with the flow, it's okay yeah, yeah, uh, kind of straight from what the original question was like you're so zoo, so we had zoo what's your like crazy theory?
Speaker 3:like, well, it's like if we're going into like kind of like the kind of like the wacky or like the fun, like, as it relates to at least you had yeah, calise had the zoo theory, like in the soul farm, kind of thing. Like what do you think could be the end, like what could be as it?
Speaker 4:relates to the ufo. Again, I'm trying to thread reality right now and currently in reality, in this season of humanity, in this crazy simulation, um, we are experiencing more ufo phenomenon and more acceptance of ufo phenomenon, and it probably ties into the crazy bullshit that we're dealing with with our government. Which one is conspiracy, which one is facts, we don't know. Khaleesi thinks yeah. However, it ties in. It's probably because we're a fucking ant farm and or aliens and an alien ant farm
Speaker 4:yep we are probably not okay, actually any okay, stop shaking the damn box and from there, do you have any input as to how we're going to thread this into your wacky theory?
Speaker 5:Okay, so I guess my wacky theory I'll come out of what level or one that you've heard. One that I've heard, I guess.
Speaker 4:That you agree with. Disagree with.
Speaker 5:So one that I guess I would fully agree with, and it's a little bit of a pessimistic view, but you know, I definitely think that there's. You know there's unexplained things out there. There's a very high chance that you know there's UFOs and alien life forms, and you know other forms of life out there that are not us. I'm not really sure, so you think we're not alone. I don't think we're alone. No, I don't know. I will say if they are aware of that we exist or not, if they are studying us or not.
Speaker 4:Are they visiting Earth? You're saying, You're unsure.
Speaker 5:They might, okay, they could be. Is it because of?
Speaker 4:the zoo, or is it because of we're just a random rock floating out there and they're like holy shit, there's bugs on this one.
Speaker 5:There's bugs on this one. I don't believe in the zoo, necessarily Just from what I believe. So you know, like I said, from a pessimistic view, just kind of what I believe about life and you know afterlife and who we are.
Speaker 4:I don't believe in souls, I don't think that's a like a tangible thing like that can be harvested so consciousness is not a new term for this what we used to call the soul, the ethereal thing inside of all of us that makes us us so with consciousness, it's kind of the way I think about it is like computer programming.
Speaker 5:If someone comes in and like, breaks your computer tonight, like that's just the end of the computer programming, like and that's just like over. And so when we die, like that's just, that's just, you know lights out.
Speaker 4:So we're like you're saying consciousness is like software.
Speaker 5:Yeah, similar to software, like if the, if we don't have, if your part of your computer is not working, you're not gonna have all the bits of the software disability, or if you have people who are not all there, like their ram is slow. They need an upgrade they need an upgrade apple cloud storage is too full.
Speaker 5:Yeah, literally, they're like the original version of mac, like, like, their level of consciousness is not going to be the same as somebody who might be full functioning, so, um. So I think that when it comes to consciousness, like you know, once, once you're dead, like's lights out it's going to be the exact same way it was for the last billions of years, before we were ever born.
Speaker 4:Um, what about the reincarnation stuff?
Speaker 5:Reincarnation, um, I mean, it could be pop, it could be plausible to be reincarnated and kind of reenter into somebody else's consciousness. However, that doesn't. I feel like you would be able to recall your memories from your past life, like if I was a man back in like the 1800s and now I'm a woman in the 21st century. Like I feel like I should be able to recall those memories, and so the fact that I can't tells me this is either my first life or you know there's.
Speaker 5:I have previous lives, but why? What specifically about this life right now is making it memorable, where I don't remember my past lives and so can I? Go ahead yeah.
Speaker 4:What about the you know, carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, phosphorus atoms, molecules, or the form of those atoms and the formation of those atoms into molecules that exist in your current neuron, that were broken down, scattered across the universe and previously assembled in the guy in 1800? So he was he. He died, he was absorbed into earth. Earth's natural radiation, you know, radiated out into space, orbited the mars, the moon, etc. Fell back down as fucking rainfall grew. A tree tree had an apple.
Speaker 4:Your mom ate that apple, fucked your dad, you got yeah you popped out and now that same nitrogen, carbon, phosphorus, uh, oxygen atoms, uh created. The same molecules that were previously 1800s Jeffrey's brain are now, you know, 2024, prime's brain. It's a reincarnation that you can't remember.
Speaker 5:I mean, it definitely could be and that's maybe why we have certain, like you know, genetic or, like you know, factors that are passed down. So like, just for like a random example, like fear of spiders. I've never had a bad encounter with spiders but have been a fear from jeffrey from the 18th century, that's probably not.
Speaker 4:It's probably a past, uh yeah, evolutionary thing.
Speaker 5:Yeah, probably from your ancestors being afraid of poisonous things that killed them and when they were living in trees and whatnot um, I definitely think that if if we're gonna look at it from the point of the perspective of atoms, um, I'd be very curious to see like or even string theory or, yeah, string theory.
Speaker 5:um, at what point do we create a chemical reaction or a chemical formula that is, that creates like a single unit of consciousness or any form of consciousness? Um, but I mean, it could definitely, it could definitely be, it could definitely be something, it could definitely be a theory.
Speaker 4:So you think consciousness is a byproduct of, again, hardware. So again, the atoms that form the computer may have formed a different computer 100 years ago, with running different software, but now those atoms were broken down, reabsorbed, reintegrated, reformed into a new computer now, and that computer runs different software, which is your software. And then when you die, it'll be broken down again, reabsorbed, reassembled, distributed. A new computer. Hundred years, thousand years, ten thousand years from now we'll run different software. That will call I don't know yeah prime, prime prime, prime 2.0.
Speaker 5:Alpha prime, alpha prime, oh thank you, I definitely could, thinking about differences and how consciousness operates. I think is part of evolution, and part of it could also be the Flynn effect, which is, as more generations go on, our overall average intelligence gets higher.
Speaker 4:Sociological expectation and ability.
Speaker 5:Yeah, yeah, and so I think you know that could definitely pay, that could definitely play a part of it. But in terms of like the zoo, I don't really, just from what I agree with and disagree with, I don't exactly see what they'd be harvesting us for unless it was like study, study if they wanted to know like social stuff.
Speaker 3:Well, zoo itself would be more.
Speaker 4:I would be like stew or entertainment that would be like entertainment, experimentation it could be all you know, because we do all of those. We, yeah, do genetic testing on. You know, or we try to continue a bloodline or, you know, repopulate a species. Maybe we're in a Drive, a bloodline, or, you know, repopulate a species, maybe we're in a danger. That's a biological drive too.
Speaker 5:That's a biological drive to you know. Continue the population and stuff like that, so it could. It could very much well be, or we're like my fun theory or we're like a seed, we're like mental seeds.
Speaker 4:You know we got to start the genetics before they got all warped and mutated at the base, and then our further lineage that is further advanced, is using earth as the seed population that is then forming us and harvesting us to spread across. Maybe life is a finite or rarity across the cosmos and they gotta grow us here. Send, which is what all these abductions are sending all of our kids to these various you know Adam and Eve situations like that. Knowing you should read Journey of the Mind in terms of consciousness.
Speaker 3:That's what you're describing. It's almost like the incubation theory.
Speaker 4:I've just spent the last couple minutes.
Speaker 2:I sent you a video a little while ago.
Speaker 3:A few varying theories, each one's progressively darker.
Speaker 4:They can go as dark as imagination.
Speaker 3:The only reason I sent you that video was because I wanted to just have that video saved.
Speaker 4:I could go back and look at it. I think I actually saw that one and it gets a darker and darker mean face.
Speaker 3:It's like a Mr, incredible face or whatever, and it's like, yeah, why we haven't found aliens and it's like each different theory and it's like the darker and darker face.
Speaker 4:Why it's not. Well then, to finish your thought, then if you don't think in your heart of hearts that it that we're a zoo on planet earth, you do. You think it's a chaos, that we're a happenstance, a product of evolution and mutation and luck. And here we are having the conversation about this weird happenstance that we exist in. Maybe we're a fleeting fart in the wind and uh, and potentially there's other farts in the wind, like a turd in the wind.
Speaker 2:There are others like a turd in the wind.
Speaker 5:There are others.
Speaker 4:Like a turd in a pool, oh yeah, like a plastic bag floating wherever that Katy Perry song. Firework, whatever, I don't fucking know, I definitely think.
Speaker 5:So going back to like a more pessimistic view, I do. I would hypothesize there's going to be an end to humanity, whether that's in 12 years or 12 million years or whatever it may be do we evolve out similar to like our ancestors evolved to us? Now we're involved to something else they could, or they, we could go completely extinct and that can breed. You know something? We could be literally like the fucking dinosaurs where you know we ruled the world for x million years. Shit goes wrong cockroaches shit.
Speaker 5:You know we're extinct, and then other things come out of it. So, I definitely I don't. I don't think that the human race is an infinite thing. I do think that we are here for a specific amount of time, however long that time may be. It might be short, it might be, you know, tens or hundreds of millions of years, but it could really. It's really anybody's, anybody's guess, and so that's where I get a little pessimistic.
Speaker 4:where it's like, well, you know, we're gonna fucking die anyway connecting both of your guys' theories together, because that's what I'm gonna do here. What if we're a zoo, that the, whatever life form it is, whether it's cockroach, whether it's a dinosaur, whether it's a human, are harvested for, are grown rather not harvested. Are grown to a specific level of consciousness, once you, similar to like what Buddhists or Hindus believe, the Hindu Buddhists, once you reach a certain level of enlightenment of consciousness, you start over.
Speaker 4:Then well, you don't start over, you graduate to whatever the next plate, you know, whatever the next level is.
Speaker 5:And that opens up and you know this Nirvana well, I think, is what it's called. This is like you start like the at the most like basic level of life form, which is like a fucking cockroach, and you just say there's which is 10, I believe, but Pleasant version of like incubation theory sure, sure pee Instead of being evolved to be used for labor, you're being evolved to find the next step, kind of like Jodie Foster.
Speaker 4:Well, that could be another part of evolution, right? Well, sure, yeah, that could be another part of evolution. And if humanity is in that chain and now we graduate out, then, yeah, maybe cockroach has the next million years to then evolve up, and then we'll be up there, and there's a well of souls up there that then are doing the same thing, that are graduating at the next thing. Again, that whole, I mean there's a couple ways to think about this which is like the infinite Taurus sphere, which is like it goes up and comes back, and goes up and comes back, and that's just energy, and life happens to be in this portion of that energy cycle. That's a fun one and that's what we might be not harvested but in this little incubation zoo, you know area. Then Morpheus, now that Prime has departed and potentially wrapped up what do you have for us?
Speaker 3:Oh man, so I've been reading on a couple different theories. Again, that video I sent you, it's like literally, it's like why haven't we found alien life? And it's Mr Incredible. And it's like why haven't we found alien life? And it's Mr Incredible, and it's like all the varying theories, which I believe it's the Drake's equation or the. Some of the theories provide a lot less results than others and you like search for them Like. Some are just kind of like nothing.
Speaker 4:Yeah, just that was that one TikTok video hypothesis, literally that one TikTok video hypothesis.
Speaker 3:But like the other ones you get, actually like big things, and the more like malicious ones, which I think are kind of like interesting, that are like kind of like existential terror-y. Is the zoo theory A big one's, the zoo theory that we're literally just here to be entertainment for some sort?
Speaker 4:of like higher powers Entertainment.
Speaker 3:I've always thought that, though Entertainment for some sort of higher powers, it could be again.
Speaker 4:it could be multiple things at once, right? So like one of them is entertained by us, another one is experimenting on us.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 4:One of them is like splicing their genetics with us and taking us off word. Another one is the.
Speaker 3:Anunnaki. Another one is the Dark Force theory. From what I believe I just read I could be wrong, because I've had a few whiskeys the Dark Force theory is more so.
Speaker 4:I was going to fact check it but I was like this is more fun if you just say it.
Speaker 3:A higher intelligence is going to. A space-faring intelligence will view other intelligent life forms inherently as a threat and will act to eliminate them.
Speaker 4:Yes, Same as we do with anything else.
Speaker 3:So the reason we haven't seen other intelligent life forms is because all other intelligent life forms have been wiped out by another intelligent life form and think about it If they started on.
Speaker 4:Mars for example, before we evolved, then they started eliminating. They left the whole solar system, then they left the whole galaxy and then, all of a sudden, we evolved. Now we're the leftovers in this that they're going to come back around to. They're going to come back again.
Speaker 3:So that's a real dark one. That people don't like is the dark force theory. That's what you don't like. Don't say People don't like that. That's considered one of the more frightening ones. That is scary. What did I miss, pram? So since you came back, we've been talking about there's been a-.
Speaker 3:We're connecting all the dots. There's a few large-scale theories on why we haven't experienced extraterrestrials so far, and there's a lot of them. One of them is the faraway theory, and it's just like they're so far away, away we haven't reached them yet. And there's like the uh, the great silence, and it's just well, we haven't reached any.
Speaker 4:like the great silence theory is just like we haven't heard them, like we we sent probes out, we just haven't gone far enough and like it's just real quiet drake's equation it is, which one is, uh, why we're not finding, or why we potentially are not finding civilizations, and how long it may, and so the uh, yeah, there's the.
Speaker 3:Those are those couple, and then one of the more like dark ones is called the dark forest theory, and the dark forest theory is that a space faring race would view other intelligent life as as a threat and would eliminate it, and so the whole idea is same way that we would. There's been other intelligent life around us that some other race has eliminated and at the time we were not like prim, we were still too primitive for them to like, really acknowledge like mars is the big one that people think.
Speaker 4:Question yes how smart or evolved do we think the dinosaurs were? So let's, I'm gonna like they were around. For millions they traveled in her they were around for millions of years. Do you think that they set traps? They actually set traps. I don't know, that was just always a fun one that I can't remember who said it. But like we always think, based on Jurassic Park or stuff, they're like animals that are like semi smart. They're like primates.
Speaker 2:They're like whales. They're actually the Rick and Morty. Yeah, rick and Morty, yeah, but what?
Speaker 4:if they're like talking yeah, they had societies.
Speaker 2:They're the Rick and Morty. It was millions of years ago. Imagine just being like.
Speaker 4:Brachiosaurus and going up to your next Brachiosaurus friend and be like hey, Steve, yeah, I just I mean it'd be, and like if they used plastics, all those plastics would have been dissolved, there'd be no trace of them, and so the only die today and some of our, some of the humanity's bones get fossilized. Then whatever cockroach evolves into the next city scape faring society would dig up our bones and be like oh look, 65 million years ago there were these weird little long femur. You know, yeah, bipedal, exactly.
Speaker 4:Anyways, I'm sorry, that was dark forest theory uh, what I'm saying is maybe they already did that, what?
Speaker 5:if there are other intelligent life forms out there, however, we are the most intelligent forms.
Speaker 3:That's a theory, as well.
Speaker 5:We are the most intelligent forms of life out in the universe currently and we intimidate the others.
Speaker 3:That is called the early start theory, that we, a, you know, a species, had an earlier start than other intelligent species. We are the first space-born race. We are the first ones to be doing a lot of this.
Speaker 4:Uh, that's one of the more light-hearted theories like like we get to jupiter's moon, and there's, like some I don't know, there's like mice kind of thing, well, yeah, there's like mice and some plants and stuff, yeah look at that.
Speaker 3:It's called the early start theory. Uh, the dark forest theory is that, yeah, he space fang race would see any other intelligent race as a threat and would eliminate them. So thus the reason we haven't heard you existential dread. Yeah, that's why people say it's dark. It's because he gives me that kind of dread of like. It doesn't get me. I'm getting it, but I'm getting a gauge off of.
Speaker 4:I'm getting the age off of her based on you, because you guys are incess siblings, yeah if you're scared, then I gotta look at you.
Speaker 3:Yeah, the idea is that there were other intelligent life around us. The reason we haven't heard them is because some other Intelligence wiped them out and that now that we are to the point where we are, they're going to come back eventually and get us To yeah, or we will do whatever and fight or what if we're the most intelligent out of all the life form that's currently available? Again, I always call that's called early start theory.
Speaker 5:Okay so that doesn't comply with dark force, I mean there, I mean another reason why we haven't found them is because they're not smart enough to find correct.
Speaker 3:It's because we are the ones, we are the aliens.
Speaker 4:Basically, in that one, we are the ones that are going to give us another million years with the grades that are visiting exactly.
Speaker 3:You get darker, you get the zoo theory Very much. You know soul farm. Whatever. I wouldn't say zoo theory is so much soul farm.
Speaker 4:Zoo theory is the beginning of a lot of those other branch ones that start off. Yeah, where?
Speaker 3:it's entertainment or study or research. The dark one is incubation theory and you kind of spun a possible positive to it where it's like you know, maybe they're just waiting for us to hit that next level of enlightenment. But a lot of people think the incubation theory is that humanity it's a big theory for a while that humanity was like kind of farmed or seeded from, like other DNAs and stuff. Life basically on Earth was seeded from other DNA and all that jazz. It's like a theory and we have to get to a certain point we have to get to a certain point.
Speaker 4:Evolution get to a certain evolution, to where they're either harvested, similar to like pruning a flower or fruit, Use us for some sort of resource or they're going to use us for labor.
Speaker 3:But we have to get to a certain point before we can be used for that labor. You know we have to develop our second set of arms that are going to come out of our ribs or whatever.
Speaker 4:I mean, use us as another Because you can seed something similar. I said the Mendel peas. Right, you can set one lineage as getting like yellow peas. You can set the other lineage over here for like dark green peas, because you actually want like the in between pea. But you need both of these branches to start, yeah, and then you take the end product, both those, and you splice them.
Speaker 3:Now you have the actual goal that you wanted and so that's one of the big ones that gives a lot of people like the existential dread of like you know, like nothing we do really matters, man. Yeah, we're all just farmed by humanity higher intelligence. That's like you know, we're all just p, I think personally. For me, the dark, pessimistic like is the great silence theory, and it's we don't hear anything, because there is nothing.
Speaker 3:We are in oddity. It was pure chance that we're here. There is literally nothing else out there that we will ever encounter For now, well, no, ever. That's like the theory.
Speaker 4:Well, so there's the great silence that also has the great distance, which is.
Speaker 3:They're just so far, they're so far away. We haven't found them yet.
Speaker 4:Well, we never will because, again, universe is so expansive. The likelihood of us being able to get to even the next galaxy is so infinitesimally small, and the the amount of likelihood against current.
Speaker 5:What's the Drake's theory? Again Drake's equation is it?
Speaker 4:it's like one in every one billion. One of our it's a it's. It goes through a series of variables. So the actual equation is N equals R, asterisk times, fp times, ne times, f1 times, fi times, fc times L. N is the number of civilizations in the Milky Way galaxy. And again, drake's equation was postulated in 1961. So again, there was a lot of information that we didn't quite know at the time and so it had there are numbers.
Speaker 3:We could plug it now.
Speaker 4:Exactly. I know there are updates to the Drake's equation but nobody has for sets agreed to it as far as I understand it. So as far as it is at the foundational level, and is the number of civilizations in just the Milky Way galaxy with which communication might be possible, so within roughly a few hundred or thousands light years distance, r asterix is the average rate of star formation, our galaxy fp. I'm just going to go down to each variable rather than naming them. So the first one is the average rate of star formation in the galaxy, then the fraction of those stars that have planets. So, in the galaxy, the number of stars, then of those stars, the fraction of those that have planets, then of those, the average number of planets that can potentially support life that are within the Goldilocks zone.
Speaker 3:So for those of you nerds that are watching that play Starfield, you know there's all the galaxies you can explore. How many are actually stars that have planets? Associated and then of those planets, how many of them you can build a settlement on that supports life. There you go.
Speaker 4:Of that fraction of planets that could support life, that actually develops life at some point, not?
Speaker 5:just in the Goldilocks. That's different. That's another one. Yep.
Speaker 4:So planets that are within the Goldilocks zone. Then those planets that have the possibility to support and do support life, so the seed, pants, sperm, whatever theory you want to go with right there. Then the fraction of those planets with life that go on to develop intelligent life, not just microorganism, not just mice and trees and plants and shrubs, but intelligent life. Then the fraction of those civilizations that develop a technology that releases detectable signs of their existence into space radio signals, telescopes, light signals, et cetera, the Voyager space probes that we sent out. And then, finally, the length of time for which each civilization releases detectable signals into space and is received by another intelligent race.
Speaker 4:So you have these two simultaneous things, going through all of those variables to meet at that final point of being able to be at the correct distance, already gone through all of the hurdles of life and evolution to get to the intelligent level, to then produce radio signals, et cetera. And we're at a distance. And we're at the same Because, again, if we evolved and then collapsed and the next one evolved, we'd still not be there for them to send out signals, even though our signals were already sent out millions of years prior to them evolving. All of that has to coincide together for us to see that there is intelligent life out there.
Speaker 5:What if those UFOs, like the UFO sightings that we've seen and the increase in being more accepting of ufo sightings, are actually like millions of years late, like those ufos and those alien sightings could be millions of years late and we're just now receiving those, but that?
Speaker 4:there's a funny, uh, but that civilization.
Speaker 3:That civilization now could be dead or it might be super far evolved I feel like that would make more sense if it was things that we were seeing in space through a telescope versus things that we're seeing in real time.
Speaker 4:So the light that we're receiving which is why the James Webb was so key to expanding our understanding and has rewritten a lot of things like galaxy formation and the expansion of the universe rate is that the amount of time it takes for the furthest reaches that we understand to hit us in terms of light. So, like a galaxy that existed 65 million years ago, right started at X distance to us, to Earth. 65 million years ago it was X distance, it is now a Y distance, but we can't see it at Y distance because the light hasn't traveled far enough to reach us. We only see it at the 65 million year distance. So at the same time, to put that in perspective for what we are experiencing and what others would experience us right now, if there was a galaxy that was 65 million years light years difference between us and them, they, if they were looking at us right now, would only just see the extinction of the dinosaurs, even though obviously we've existed past that point. They can't see that point because the light from the point onward hasn't reached them yet. So if they were 75 million light years further from us, they would then see 75 million years into our past. Currently they would only see that far, they wouldn't see us yet. So they would still have to wait on their planet. Another, you know if it's 75, they would have to wait another 50 million years on their planet for the light leaving us post dinosaurs, to reach them.
Speaker 4:So, like 20, the new millennium we set off all those fireworks and we set all those radio you know Britney Spears radio stations into the cosmos and all that stuff. Right, the new millennium to the M&M's, real slim, shady, all of that information that was released 24 years ago has only gone 24 light years if it's traveling the speed of light. So the furthest it could go was like, is not even vega, because vega's, I think, 28, but alpha centauri. So the farthest it can go is that light year distance. So in order for it to get to that 65 million year span, uh, galaxy, that's 65 million years from us we have, that galaxy has to wait another 60, you know, 64.9, whatever million years for that signal to get to them. The distance is just so great. So for us to be at the same light form, right? So if there's a, there's, you know a couple places where they're like, oh well, the closest one is, I don't know, like five light years or twenty light years, I can't remember off the top my head. I've had a couple whiskeys.
Speaker 3:Now I don't know something like that. When they see is like don't quote me on this, but I'm pretty sure that's what this one is, right.
Speaker 4:The earliest they could possibly get a transmission from us is from like World War Two, right? So the only thing they're seeing right now is Hitler taking power.
Speaker 5:Could you imagine being an alien? That's like one of the first.
Speaker 4:That's the only thing you see. That's the only.
Speaker 5:And then you're like I don't want any part of this.
Speaker 4:Maybe that's the UFOs we're seeing these drones are sending out.
Speaker 3:They're like we need a whatever's going on over there, let's send a couple voyagers over there, you know what I think would be fun If we looked at some famous movies, some big movies about alien, you know, attacks or whatever and we just said like what?
Speaker 5:theory. We think they subscribed, they would fall under, I mean.
Speaker 4:Independence Day is. That, is that zoo, because I will start Independence Day, I think is dark. I think it's dark for their in. Yeah, they're invading.
Speaker 3:I think it's been a couple years, I think. I think Independence Day is dark for us because they weren't trying to harvest, they weren't trying to do anything. They weren't trying to do anything, they were just trying to exterminate.
Speaker 4:They were exterminate for whatever means they wanted, maybe they wanted a planet.
Speaker 3:Maybe they wanted whatever, they showed up and they just started fucking, they just started blasting War of the Worlds with Tom Cruise. I'm going to say Same thing. I'm going to say incubation.
Speaker 4:Really, yep, they didn't want us, they wanted the planet.
Speaker 3:They wanted the planet.
Speaker 4:They were harvesting they put the people on the ground.
Speaker 3:They had the little needle thing. They stabbed it and shit came up into the tube. Right, they were using us as fertilizer, they were harvesting us.
Speaker 4:I don't think they were harvesting us. They were harvesting the planet because they wanted to grow things on the planet. I think they they were still harvesting humans. Did you ever read the HG Wells book of it? Yeah, world of Worlds. Yeah, the whole point was that they categorized Earth as a potential, like millions of years ago.
Speaker 3:So you think it'd be.
Speaker 4:And then they sent a bunch of like spaceships and probes and stuff out to wait, and so they landed those on Earth a million years ago. And then so, over the time, they got buried through natural evolution because they knew it was going to take a while to get here. Yeah, over the time they got buried through natural evolution because they knew it was going to take a while to get here. And then, a million years later, they finally arrived. They got their spaceships and they're like oh, here's the planet that we looked at 10 million years ago. Here we are, 10 million years later. We're now harvesting the planet. Whatever's on the planet is irrelevant to us.
Speaker 3:Imagine they did that and we progressed further than they did. And they're showing up All of a sudden sudden they show up they're like. They're like in like steam engine, like tripod things coming up out of the ground. We're like what the fuck is this? It's like an emerald abrams tank.
Speaker 4:It's just like fucking armor piercing rounds. And what are those? Uh, radium rounds or whatever they're called. Just do do like butter knife through butter.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I always thought that'd be kind of fun. You could look at a fire in the sky. Uh, yeah, that one, I would say zoo for sure uh, or scientific, I guess I don't know yeah, uh, I just so.
Speaker 5:I I brought all these up is because I asked can I have as many as you want yeah, I will point out that I like that heres and Morpheus are both rubbing their respective wives feet as they're talking.
Speaker 3:I will say I think the most dark and pessimistic and what I think is probably the most likely outcome, or like theory in my personal opinion.
Speaker 3:I think it's the Great Silence and I think that a lot of what we're seeing right now is government misinformation, because there's been a lot of the, the classified files, and it's just our technology from the 60s and from the 50s where, like peep, they would literally send air force intelligence officers to ufo conventions to spread misinformation of like yes, this is a ufo, look at these pictures and trickle down.
Speaker 4:These are ufos like we're talking about today.
Speaker 3:It was literally all staged to hide that. You know we had the B-2 stealth bomber and it was all to hide that we had certain technology to hide it from the Russians at the time because of the Cold War. I think the darkest and probably, in my opinion, the most likely theory is that there aren't aliens.
Speaker 3:A lot of it is just the government trying to distract us from shit, if you will or hide other shit and we do have the great silence where there has been nothing, and that's, in my opinion, more terrifying than anything else, because it does imply that we are that kind of like it's reassuring in my eyes, I don't know, I don't know. It implies that we are that oddity, we are that alone.
Speaker 5:And when you look into the giant, massive, expansive universe, that like we are, like we are it and are, so when you think about that oddity so we'll play into into this a little bit when you think about, like the, the great silence there in, you know, the possibility of us being that oddity and there's nothing else out there, does that play into the possibility that there is a reason for us being here or that there is?
Speaker 5:there is somebody there is there is something that you know. There's a reason why it's only us and not anybody else god, because we were made in god's image not necessarily.
Speaker 3:Maybe it could be god oh, I love it's open baby, I love that oh, I love this woman, I love her.
Speaker 5:I've had four scotches, so I'm I'm I'm deep in it hermes.
Speaker 4:I love this woman. She's ready to go for it. I think that is a beautiful place. Whether we go into Taps, whether we don't, whether we end it here. Oh, we're not ending it here, I'm going to go pee and I'm going to have me another burger.
Speaker 5:That is fine, but I know Khaleesi is definitely signing out the end of Khaleesi Sorry.
Speaker 4:Before she does, I think it is only customary that she gives us our sign-off slogan Fine.
Speaker 2:Don't kill the messenger.
Speaker 4:I guess it's right there. Woo no-transcript.
